where are all the genocide Joe’s at?

Here? It looks like the person who posted this is what you’d call a “genocide joe”. There are tons of people in this thread like me arguing that what he did is still horrible. Do you want us to say trump is worse? Yeah rhetorically, but objectively Biden presided over a year and a half of unmitigated horrors and trump has presided over a ceasefire.

Money rules all. The war machine demands blood to convert into dollars.

If this were true, Biden wouldn’t have pulled out of Afghanistan. He did though, despite huge backlash, which i commend him for, because he knew the war was an unjust waste of money. He didn’t do the same for Gaza because he is a staunch zionist. This also ignores his lame duck period where he wasn’t beholden to any corporate interests, and he still kept sending weapons to Israel, because he’s doing it out of principal not pressure.

Also it’s not like Afghanistan since there’s still another war going on. If Biden cared about the genocide he could make a deal with these oligarchs to compensate any loss in sales in gaza with more spending on Ukraine.

You need to update your rhetoric. The Democrats have already started talking about how they lost because of their support for trans rights and plan to move away from that. Your line in 2028 is, “If Palestinians and trans people are bound to die, we might as well let the Republicans win and go after bi people too, eh?” But maybe you should start practicing for 2032 and say, “Oh, so if Palestinians, trans people, and bi people are bound to die, we should let the Republicans win and go after lesbians too?”

Or, instead of walking down the list of “then they came for’s,” we could draw a red line and say that if they keep walking down that path, we will make it impossible for them to win. And if enough people do, then they will either have to give in or be replaced.

Edit: You posted two removed comments that nobody upvoted lol. Reminds me of that Bloomberg ad about random Twitter users saying mean things lol.

The actual choice:

A) Stabs you in the heart

B) Stabs you in the lung

C) No stabbing, picks wildflowers for you

And you guys go, “C isn’t viable! At least you’re less likely to die if you get stabbed in the lung - you have an entire hour to get to the hospital!”

Bro, C is right there. Was there the whole time. Why the fuck would we, AS A POPULATION, choose anything but the best option.

Yes, I know you know. You are all very smart and sofisticated. But by being stuck on your complaining you are preventing people from discussing what really matters. In my case I see a post about the latest Trump antic, I go in with a opinion to give and eager to see other people’s insights.

But it’s all “wuahhhaaa…it’s all their fault” and the actual shit that Trump pulled takes the back seat and is buried in your moping. So I’ve mostly given up on commenting on these posts even though I agree more with you than not. Trump himself couldn’t censor me more effectively.

Your priority is being right. And since the shit that Trump does makes it easier for you to feel right then that is all you want the world to know. How right you are and how wrong the others were. And they should say “sorry” for eternity so you can feel right forever, while Trumps rapes your butt because your ego is what matters.

I want to be angry with you. But ultimately I just find it sad and depressing.

You’ve also been whining and crying about third party voters for the past year, but you still find that important enough to go on about at every opportunity.

So wtf are you doing on here then? Your entire premise is so sad, months after one failed victory and you’re demanding random strangers say they’re “sorry” to you? Were you Kamala’s campaign manager or something? Because the vibes fit right in.

You spent a year telling people what to do, congrats. Do you think the progressive movement just started? Do you think this is the first set-back the world has succumbed to?

It’s kinda obvious that comments like yours reveal it’s just some sort of sports game to you. You spent one singular year talking progressively, so now it’s not as important to you but will post several comments saying how important it is for others on your team to bow down to your superiority… because you spent a singular year talking progressively… whoopdee fucking doo.

Right up front, I voted for the ‘lesser evil’ in a swing state, so stow those comments about me enabling fascism.

The sad truth is that turning on Israel would have done more damage to the democrats electorally than it would’ve helped

I mean, you can keep saying that. But it’s not even true among Jewish voters, let alone the larger electorate.

I’m really starting to suspect these kind of comments are morality laundering after spending months backing an immoral stance held by a feckless executive who refused to see past his moral blind spot.

• The populace didn’t want the death and destruction.
• Career bureaucrats at the state department didn’t want it.
• Online commentators refused to seriously entertain criticism of Joe as anything but bad faith - so the message became “we’re okay with it” never “I don’t want this or Trump, do better Joe”

Yes, the bigger picture is that as soon as Harris got the nomination, she ran back to the cold, dead embrace of the Biden campaign, and supported every single policy that made Biden so unpopular. No muslim spoke at the DNC, but they had cops, CPB, and republicans speaking for the party.

Her words when asked what the difference between a Biden and Harris admin would be was “Well I would appoint a republican to my cabinet”.

The sad truth is that turning on Israel would have done more damage to the democrats electorally than it would’ve helped.

“Our country just wants genocide too much” is quite the take.

I love this logic because it doesn’t even matter how bad the position is - we could be arguing against sending immigrants to gas chambers and you could still say “sorry, they can’t run against that because they’d lose more votes than they’d gain”. Nevermind the fact that they helped to create the political reality that they are now claiming to be helpless against. They spent the last 80 years making Israel into the centerpiece of middle eastern foreign policy and now they can’t speak out against an ongoing genocide because they might lose their control and influence in the region.

Even better - some of the same people saying ‘gaza isn’t the reason we lost’ are also saying ‘we lost because we’re too woke’ - it shows just how much contempt the democrats have for their base that they dismiss the problem being with their genocidal foreign policy and instead blame their loss on being too friendly toward minorities.

You don’t even need to take the moral stand to tell democrats to do the moral thing when the moral thing is also the only shot they had at winning.

Your stance is morally repugnant, but more importantly, ineffective. We told the democrats they would lose if they did genocide. You told the democrats they could win while doing genocide. Look at what happened.

Lmao, are you making a moral argument against acting according to morals?

You learned nothing in 2016, you learned nothing in 2020, and you learned nothing in 2024. Can’t wait to see you insisting that the democrats can win while running on compromise, building the wall, deporting every immigrant, getting tough on crime, banning trans people from public life, and continuing whatever war Trump starts in 2028.

God imagine if there was a Blue MAGA, a cult that was just as die-hard about protecting transpeople, labor rights, and all that as Red MAGA was with destroying them.

Republicans are obviously fucking evil. They smile as they pass laws that enable the worst parts of the government to be even worse. And then say it’s because of the woke or some shit.

And then democrats just… Allow it. They then go “our compromise was that we allowed 2% less people to die from this bill being passed. So only 500K will die from this, instead of 501K.”

And it’s obviously better by numbers, but that’s all they want. Pure data. They don’t care about the optics of actually trying to stop republicans, they want the look of it.

They don’t want to stop aiding genocide, pretending they care about BIPOC as they say to bipartisan applause “We need to fund the police!” as they kneel for a photo.

But pass a law that says “Police should obey the laws they enforce” is impossible for them, somehow, no matter how many votes they get.

I’ve been swindled too many times. Republicans are obvious in that they hate me. Democrats act like a friend and then ghost you.

100%

She could have read a laundry list of her First Week, Month intended actions and won over huge swaths of voters- if that was her strategy to win.

Instead she chose fuckall, which is exactly what Biden did for 4 years.

Yea, I see a lot of quotes online about how her brother-in-law or whatever had her rein in some policies and how she had a bunch of advisors that further reined in her policies, but if anything that kind of proves their point. She had no substance of her own and was willing to campaign on literally nothing believing that was the way to get elected. Kinda a devastating indictment of both her and the dems and the political industrial complex.

What are we talking about? I’m just saying one of those leaders was not like the other.

Hmm, I’m not naive enough to believe that Lemmy is free from disinformation and bad actors, but I would be surprised if it was targeted by sophisticated state actors.

I would argue the entire problem is the self-defeating mentality that the D vs R choice is the only choice. It’s in fact the population believing that - in itself - that results in the poor election outcomes for third parties.

I’m not going to read the rest of your response, because you might as well be telling me that the person with the most points isn’t the one who wins the superbowl. Between that and what little I read of your second paragraph tells me you either don’t understand the system, or you don’t understand game theory when one side is always going to vote for their guy regardless of how criminal or openly fascistic he is.

It isn’t a self defeating choice that got us here it’s literally how the system was designed. You say it wasn’t like this 30 years ago, but I question how much you remember of the bush elections, because it’s worse, but this was the natural progression with a party who is pathologically against actual governance.

You people act like you’re the only ones against the genocide. I’ve been against Israel and their crimes against humanity for fucking decades. Way before it was in vogue, and people would accuse me of antisemitism almost every time I’d try to educate them. However, I’m smart enough to know that my choices have more than ONE consequence, and sometimes you have to vote for the lesser of two evils.

That anger is deserved, did you read the image in this post?

We all did.

If everyone who had voted for Harris had voted for De la Cruz instead she still wouldn’t have won.

There are no serious third party options in the US currently.

Because I’ve never heard of De la Cruz, or any of the other third-party candidates that people keep espousing. And even if I had, my vote would be split among the other dozen candidates. That’s the fundamental problem with anyone left of the Democrat party - they’re not unified. Everyone seems to have a different idea of what would be best, everyone seems to have a different favorite candidate. Now all the votes that might have gone D are lost in the noise, while the R’s just fall in line like they always do.