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The thought police are throwing cinder blocks at us.
Luigi is not a hero. He is an alleged hero.
Whether or not he’s the hero he’s been accused of being, he’s certainly a living martyr now
Glad people are starting to realize this is how the ruling class wanted to take away our freedom of speech.
Their goal was to get us all on their company platforms where the only discussions that are allowed are the ones the ruling class deems appropriate.
I mean… that’s how they make their money, so… yeah?:-)
I have just left Reddit and deleted my account, on account of this.
Fuck Reddit.
I read the article and I couldn’t believe how much of an effort they’re making to silence people. This is the world we live in. It’s so sad.
Congrats on dropping your balls to become a man
LOL Tiktok sent me a message for posting “Incarcerate Mango Mussolini” as a violation of it’s community guidelines so it seems like it’s happening everywhere.
Fuck you tiktok, you can’t stop me.
EDIT: Formating
I admit I’m not up to date on the leaning of various social media, but I had thought Tiktok, being Chinese-owned, might approve of more anti-Trump sentiment. Maybe they were more attuned to the “Incarcerate” portion.
Duck censorship.
Elon Musk. President Donald Trump’s extremely online lackey has aimed plenty of ire at Reddit from his perch at DOGE, first attacking the federal workers he’s been firing en masse for discussing the chaos on r/FedNews, then expanding his purview from there.
Fuck fElon, fuck spez, fuck trump, and fuck the american oligarchy.
Fuck all oligarchies and oligarchs.
news@lemmy.ml restricts saying anything even vaguely anti-russian in a time when Russia is effectively trying destroy the west. At the same time, they’re allowing rather blatant anti-west sentiment. And I’m not saying that that’s fundamentally bad, but rather that there is no such thing as unbiased.
Reddit sure sucks and needs to die though. But their bias of not supporting murder is somewhat understandable.
News@lemmy.world blocks Luigi posting https://lemmy.world/comment/15689396
But their bias of not supporting murder is somewhat understandable.
Its not murder, it’s self defense. A mass murderer was stopped by Luigi, end of story.
The government has accused Luigi of stopping a mass murderer.
And somehow they’ve spun that as terrorism.
Hmm, I shit on Russia all the time every chance I get and as far as I know I was never warned about it, even on lemmy.ml
Did you do so in a community located on lemmy.ml? Try it, it should be fairly quick, and you’ll be banned from communities that you’ve never even heard of, for violating a rule that is written down nowhere that I can find.
Or maybe after the election seasons, they might not be as quick these days? It might have accomplished its purpose already.
Russia is a reactionary capitalist shit hole, I wish it wasn’t but here we are. many such cases
I saw the Hammer and Sickle on lemmy.ml and that was enough for me to know that they were probably Campists and Stalinists lol.
I guess it’s good Lemmy has the different instances(?) even tho it’s a bit annoying.
There’s going to be Marxists on Lemmy, the lead developers of the software are Marxist-Leninists and some of the largest instances are explicitly Socialist-aligned.
The beauty is that you can just block the annoying instances. I’ve blocked lemmy.ml so I don’t see their communities, but can still see their users commenting on posts.
Not all of us are happy with it. The Pro-Russia, pro-China posts are enough to make me raise an eyebrow and keep my mouth shut when a mod comes around.
But… it’s genuinely one of the better moderated instances. It is quite peaceful compared to other communities. I dont see lemmygrad, I dont see beehaw, it’s just, restful
The Pro-Russia, pro-China posts are enough to make me raise an eyebrow and keep my mouth shut when a mod comes around.
Just following orders so you can get content?
I dont see lemmygrad
The default view is subscribed, unless you’re browsing all you won’t see them unless you already subscribed.
The Pro-Russia, pro-China posts are enough to make me raise an eyebrow and keep my mouth shut when a mod comes around.
I can appreciate this, people can be on a hair trigger sometimes. Personally I like to be able to keep track of what both sides narratives are.
That’s why I like my instance, the admins are great and we have the same mindset of federation: let the users decide who they want to block and only defederate from a instance if they’re hugely problematic or doing something illegal.
I think lemmy.ml is federated with lemmygrad right? I never see their stuff either, it’s probably such a small instance that it kinda gets lost from the activity of the bigger and more popular communities.
Yeah on second glance, it is federated with lemmygrad, but I somehow don’t see the posts from there. Apparently, I’ve only blocked one sub from there “GenZedong”, but that seems to be enough for me to not see any of their stuff at a ll.
I am currently slowly migrating towards another instance, but I genuinely do feel comfortable on lemmy.ml
You are not the first person I’ve heard this from. Ironically the people who avoid anything even resembling a political topic can have quite the calm experience there, in the other communities.
However, it’s still supporting that behavior, and there’s also the “first they came for” mantra, which suggests that even though they haven’t banned you from the entire instance yet, it may still lead to a shocking surprise when they eat your face off later rather than sooner.
But yes there are many other instances to choose from:-). Like feddit.org for a location-based instance for someone in Europe, or Discuss.Online for someone based in the USA, or themed instances such as programming.dev or literature.cafe, etc.
Not sure what to expect with the “eating my face off” part, but I can always just migrate away
How idiotic to stay there get on an instance that does not have such a bias with the moderation.
I have accounts on other instances, but lemmy.ml is genuinely quite peaceful. I find myself always coming back to it.
There’s a distinct lack of general abuse there, and people seem to restrain themselves from needless insults
Yes but its better that if people who are easily misled find .ml they don’t just see a bunch of propaganda with noone arguing about it. It makes it look more normal. The best thing is to constantly call them idiots and accuse them of solvent abuse. That way when gullible idiots come across it they know it’s stupid. A lot of people need to be told.
Great thing about Lemmy is that I can block all instances from lemmy.ml.
How do I block .ml results?
Are there other servers which amplify problematic content?
Welcome to a tutorial on how to block .ml on your personal account.
In the top right corner of the top of the page, there are 3 horizontal white bars. Click it.
This will open up a drop down menu. At the bottom of that menu, you will see your username. Click it.
This will open another drop down menu with 3 options. Click “Settings”.
At the top of your screen you will see 2 tabs. Click the one that says “Blocks”.
Here you will see “Block user” “Block community” and “Block instance”. Click the down arrow below “Block instance”.
This will open up a search bar. Type “lemmy.ml” and click it after it shows up.
That’s it! You’ve blocked .ml and will never see content from the instance. Now you don’t need to make a feud post every day complaining about .ml and other instances you disapprove of. Think of all the time you will save!
But wait, we aren’t done yet in this menu. Click the down arrow under “Block user”. Now type “UltraGiGaGigantic” Make sure you select my .ml account as the other ones I no longer use. Thanks, appreciate it.
So the Tankie Triad is:
- lemmy.ml
- hexbear
- lemmygrad.ml
Edit:
The trouble is that, as far as I know, there’s currently no way as a user to block an entire instance. You can play whack-a-/C and block communities as you bump into them. The other option is to look for instances that have de-federated from these instances, and make a new account on one of those instances.As @Samskara@sh.itjust.works pointed out, instance blocking is possible:
You can block instances in your settings. For your instance, that’s lemmy.ca/settings then selects blocks and add the instances you want to block
Are there other servers which amplify problematic content?
There’s a lot more than the 3 listed above, the ones I listed are militant in their belief that Russia and China are Marxist-Leninist utopias. There’s some communities and users across all the instances that are problematic. If you see something you don’t like, block the user or community.
Hey, real quick, nobody thinks the Russian Federation is somehow still Marxist, the Soviet Union was dissolved in the 90s and Marxism went with it. Further, China is not a “Utopia,” it is Marxist-Leninist but it’s in the early stages of Socialism, and the Russian Federation is far worse off under Capitalism.
If you want to correct your blurb, that would be far more accurate.
I’m seeing a lot of people call Hexbear a tankie instance lately - they aren’t really though, they are an instance full of trolls who are militant against any belief system at all (most especially their own?), or as near to that as makes no difference. They constantly lie - most especially to one another, and have even been caught lying to other instance admins.
I would lump Hexbear in under a name like The Big Three (to block), but I just thought I’d point out that many people are going to argue at its being called specifically a “tankie” one. And ofc it’s more than just these three - e.g. Midwest.social has been caught in numerous scandals as well, though unlike the Big Three, the actual users there are perfectly fine, so I don’t advocate for blocking it, just avoiding the communities there.
Speaking of, the Lemmy “instance blocking” would have been much better named as a “community mute”, since it allows you to see the users from that instance, and they can vote on and reply to your content, triggering notifications, etc. The only real way to do an actual instance block is to move to an instance that has defederated from it (requires admin rights), or use PieFed that can implement a true user block from any instance you ask for (no admin approval necessary), or the Lemmy apps Sync and Connect can likewise do that.
I’m seeing a lot of people call Hexbear a tankie instance lately - they aren’t really though, they are an instance full of trolls who are militant against any belief system at all (most especially their own?), or as near to that as makes no difference. They constantly lie - most especially to one another,
From my experience they’re anarchists/communists like they say they are.
From my experience and the majority of Lemmy’s, they’re tankies.
The only people I really seeing anarchists/communists are places like db0.
There’s a lot more than the 3 listed above, the ones I listed are militant in their belief that Russia and China are Marxist-Leninist utopias.
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Hexbear hates Russia. They call Putin a fascist dictator / capitalist all the time.
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No one on Hexbear calls Russia or China a Marxist utopia. Pointing out that the CCP is using their power to build highspeed rail, nuclear energy, tons of public housing, and huge solar projects might seem like glazing, but I think those projects are worthy of praise. If the US built 40000km of highspeed rail, entire cities of public housing, tons of clean nuclear power plants, etc then I would be overjoyed to praise my country for doing something good.
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Supporting genocide is true tankieism. Anyone who isn’t critical of the US’s funding of genocide or the military industrial complex are the true tankies.
Splitting hairs is what tankies do when they get called out for their bullshit. Also giving bullet point lists that are thinly veiled propaganda and are exhausting to debunk.
Just want to add, the CPC is Marxist and is working off of Marxist economics. Their party ideology is Marxism-Leninism Xi Jinping Thought, which is Marxism-Leninism applied to modern China’s conditions and under Xi Jinping.
Now, that doesn’t mean it’s some Utopia, and that also doesn’t mean it’s a far-future Communist society, just that they are in the early stages of Socialism.
They’re not in the early stages of socialism, they’re in the end stages of state-capitalism.
How does the Tienanmen Square massacre fit into Marxism-Leninism ideology?
And who wrote about this “stage” of Marxist-Leninism that makes capitalism is legal and labour unions are illegal? Would that be the ruling party that’s dominated by billionaires?
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You can block instances in your settings. For your instance, that’s lemmy.ca/settings then selects blocks and add the instances you want to block
Thanks! Found it and blocked. Appreciate the help!
Perfect! I’ll edit my post.
There doesn’t seem to be a way to block all users of an instance though unfortunately. You can still see posts and comments they make on other instances
Whack-a-mole sadly, but I will say that not every user on an instance you don’t want to interact with is necessarily going to be promoting content that you find objectionable.
True, but those users on the Big Three are fairly reputable for being contentious. So much so that merely blocking Hexbear alone will improve someone’s experience on the Fediverse by ~90%, and then if you are able to block Lemmy.ml (most people using Lemmy cannot, not truly) then that improves it by a still further 90%.
Put another way, yes it blocks too much - that much is sadly true - however when the vast majority of the most batshit insane comments that one sees across the entire Fediverse comes from a user on one of the Big Three instances, then rather than leave the Fediverse entirely to get away from such, it makes a helluva lot of sense to just block users from those instances (which again, most people on Lemmy really can’t do, without going to extreme measures).
It’s like email spam: what legitimate content are you willing to give up in order to block the vast majority of incoming stuff that you don’t want to see? There’s enough leftover after blocking it out, at least for me and many others say the same. It does kinda suck for users on those instances, but like… at this point it’s very well known, and they’ve made their choice, so now all that remains is for me to make mine, and my preferences - to avoid nonconsensual insanity thrown at me relentlessly from an instance that not only fails to discourage such but sometimes actively encourages it - should be able to matter too!
By inconsistently choosing when they will moderate supporting murder and when they won’t, they are essentially deciding what murder is okay. And that “should” disqualify them from section 230 protections. It doesn’t because section 230 is too broad. But by picking which third party content to allow they are essentially editorializing using other people words.
news@lemmy.ml restricts saying anything even vaguely anti-russian
Cringe
If I may say, with all due respect (truly), Reddit highly encouraged “engagement” for the sake of those stats being sold to advertisers hence increasing their profits.
But here we are free from such. Breathe a sigh of relief at that… and note how we can choose to do things differently here.
Yes, I am saying this bc you are new, in hopes that it will help bring you up to speed and explain why people are downvoting you (I didn’t myself btw). I hope you don’t feel I’m picking on you. Okay, I’ll shut up now and leave you alone!:-)
Are you on drugs? What was that nonsense.
Uh… what? 2 downvotes is not such a big deal, and I wouldn’t care about 10 downvotes either, I wrote what I thought and what I wanted. By the way, I haven’t used Reddit too long (a week or so) so I know nothing about their “engagement” thing.
The lemmy trash server triad is blocked here. Do they really even exist?
Lemmy.ml is not defederated from Lemmy.world, so new users will see everything by default.
Also, “instance blocking” would be better named as "community muting’, bc it leaves users from those instances free to vote and reply to your content, trigger notifications, and you’ll still see it in other communities.
To truly block it, someone has to first even know about it, and then the only real options are all rather extreme - move to an instance that has defederated from them all (Lemmy.ml in particular is extremely rarely defederated from), switch to using PieFed, a Lemmy alternative written in Python rather than Rust, or the Lemmy apps Sync or Connect. Or implement a filter like with Ublock Origin or some such. None of these are trivial, and again, none are available to new users to even be told are possible, or helpful to be done.
According to the non stop feudposting coming from .worlders, it seems like we live rent free in your basement.
whoosh.
Reddit can die when there is something better around and I don’t see that in Lemmy etc. Especially with the shittier instances you mentioned.
If all the people came here and with them propaganda I think in terms of moderation you would be woefully unprepared.
Not you personally but all the mods on the instances.
Yes, all of the Threadiverse (the forum based subset of the Fediverse) has only ~55k monthly active users. So if a significant fraction of a million people were to join, it would put significant strain on things - the hardware (especially network connections) alone would become swamped, and especially the moderation workload would skyrocket.
Check out PieFed btw - its advancements to enable democratization of moderation are fascinating! As just one example, during the signup wizard where someone says what interests they have and get subscribed to communities based on their answers (another feature Lemmy lacks), it asks people how much word filtering they would like to see about “Trump” and “Musk” - a lot, a little, or none (no filtering). Thus, users can define their own expectations as to the experience they want to see, rather than have that dictated to them by a mod.
Being written in Python rather than Rust, PieFed’s own scalability is definitely worthy to be called into question, but on the other hand it is already testing out so many features that people have been begging for on Lemmy for many years without seeing any hints that those features will ever come, while PieFed already has them. Things like categories of communities, just recently made user customizable and also shareable, so they act like multi-Reddits.
Hey, PieFed looks great, the interface is definitely better. Thanks for sharing this.
I use it as my daily driver most of the time - it’s fantastic! There are some features that are annoying, so like Lemmy it’s still in development, but overall it’s much better for most things IMHO. Its search function (like Reddit’s) is crap, while Lemmy’s is amazing, but the whole overall flow with Topics and now Feeds really helps. e.g. if you wanted less political material, then you could just not subscribe at all to those communities (or avoid the largest, most contentious ones), but still access it via the Topic description up above anytime you wanted - basically allowing you to have your cake (no politics appearing in your Subscribed feed) and eat it too (yes politics, via another route).:-)
The website is attacking the users that made it the front page of the internet
No they aren’t. Those users have long since left Reddit lol
Yeah, it’s a playground for bots and misinformation now
i started visiting reddit back around 2009 when places like digg and fark kept linking over there. i liked it because it had a design that the average person wouldn’t like - the old design. they sorted comments in a new way that i liked. it’s been a slow boil, but look at the reddit monstrosity now. the redesign is puke-inducing, and there really isn’t any point in the vote sorting any more because people don’t upvote for visibility any more insomuch as just use it as like/dislike. there isn’t even any benefit in trying to point that out any more either, because today’s reddit users just don’t understand that approach to votes - and it really, really sucks.
Hmmm, perhaps people should start linking threads from here on reddit…
Believe it or not: straight to jail.
Wouldn’t reddit be the jail in this situation?
Heh. Don’t do that from an account that you like or has a lot of karma.
Reddit admins are a bunch of shit eating peckerwoods now.
you can try
I want to upvote this because I like it, but now I’m conflicted because I don’t want to inadvertently abuse the upvote mechanism.
yo - upvote it if you think it’s worth it for other people to see it, whether you agree with it or not. it might spark a debate. it might sway opinion. but either way, voting for visibility is the best thing to do on a SMALL forum like this. Appreciate lemmy while it’s still small!!!
AND fwiw - your upvotes should probably not be monitored. that would just be a huge dick move (sorry, it took me a sec).
Im not going to upvote something if I don’t agree with it. I understand the power of voting, it increases or decreases visibility. But I am not going to willingly increase the visibility of something I don’t agree with.
Imagine if someone comments with what you see as a stupid take, but phrases it as a legitimate question indicating a willingness and even eagerness to learn: I often upvote such, bc that’s an attitude that I’d like to see more of. The alternative for them would be to keep silent and remain in their ignorance?
Conversely, someone that says “^This” - I may likewise agree with whatever they responded to, but that’s what upvotes on the latter content is for, and there’s no need to also upvote the former along with that.
Considering e.g. a thoughtful, insightful, well-researched post with a conclusion we completely disagree with and feel is likely to lead to negative outcomes - but is still a perspective that should be understood if we want to be well rounded:
Binary up/downvotes have a really hard time of capturing what we want to see reflected as our assessment.
Edit: blessed be thy highly-voted child comment
As someone from the U.S., it seems like that concept has practically disappeared from the country. The nuances of civil debate, including the acknowledgement of differing opinions as valid, don’t exist in most of our popular media (both traditional and social.) We’ve been conditioned to react to things immediately and intensely using our emotions instead. There has been a slide toward this state for decades, but it’s come to the point where a lot of people genuinely struggle with separating “thing they personally disagree with/don’t like” from “thing that shouldn’t be said/heard/shared.”
(Not saying that’s the case with OP, just that it’s definitely a thing that’s been going on.)
that’s exactly the ideal! i know it feels weird these days to upvote something you don’t like, but it isn’t about what you like. it’s about what you’re showing approval for to the next person.
I don’t know if you like music like this, but it made me smile so why not share? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW48BueSJzo
Same as any social media site.
Reportedly Reddit was not always that way though, earlier on.
I feel like the admins over there really take for granted how much people care about Reddit. The more they degrade the sense of community, the more it continues to crumble until users feel that there’s no point in going back.
With how many posts are just pure AI generated rage bait, it’s becoming more clear by the day how little worth there is left on Reddit.
It likely looks to them as if the accounts that remain to be moderated are humans, the same as it was in the past, even though it’s no longer that way now.
[deleted] is a common user name there!
Did they change the way things are formatted? Such as the [removed] comments now just appearing as [deleted]? Deleted would imply the users removed their own content while removed would imply the mods or admins removed it, at least that’s how things have always been. However, I have only been seeing a sea of [deleted] lately.
After the API kerfuffle, a lot of users who left also used tools to completely erase their content from the site, which explains the sea of [deleted] posts and users. You may also see comments and text body posts that are full of incoherent gibberish because one of the tools didn’t delete the content in the normal way, it simply edited the content to be a bunch of random gibberish.
it simply edited the content to be a bunch of random gibberish.
I used a tool that did this. I also used it on purpose because I figured it would make the content more difficult to farm. Lots of software doesn’t actually delete anything when you delete it, but it’s a lot more work to put versioning in and then you’d have to go search the version history to find a version that wasn’t mangled to farm it…so that’ll all theoretically make it more difficult for them to find what I originally wrote.
i just ended up deleted all my comments on my last 2 accts, so they cant be farmed, unless reddit undeletes them. wonder when reddit is going to pull a FB ressurection, revives your account but controlled by AI bots for right wing disinformation.
They’ve already been caught doing that - well, not for disinformation spreading but for engagement appearance, around the time Reddit was doing its IPO so needed to hike its stats to give to advertisers as quickly as possible. While entire posts, comment for comment, though with different usernames but the identical responses to the identical questions, and then deeper responses to those, and so forth.
So they don’t need the appearance of older accounts - they can manufacturer whatever they need, from scratch already. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if they created “10 year old” accounts at will.
I don’t think they care, they already got their payday by going public.
they get thier money from google and openai.
I think the USA has taken a deep dive in international standing since January 2025, and Reddit is a USA-flavored USA-centered content publisher in terms of front page community. Things were pretty anti-USA with all the support of Israel in 2024, but now in 2025 with Elon Musk being the center of all USA society attention every minute of every day, sites like Reddit are being turned away from (or people only reading to mock the USA) - where the HiveMind is extremely USA technology consumerism / technology lifestyle worship.
For example, I never witness anyone on Reddit criticize Apple Computers for funding Twitter / X in 2025. It’s tech addiction as the primary religion on Reddit. And I think those outside the USA are sick of that machine lust / machine mind behavior of Elon Musk, Zuck, Amazon, etc.
“Technopoly is a state of culture. It is also a state of mind. It consists in the deification of technology, which means that the culture seeks its authorization in technology, finds its satisfactions in technology, and takes its orders from technology.” ― Neil Postman, Technopoly: The Surrender of Culture to Technology, 1992
Reddit is historically US tech workers. When the userbase was younger they were still some what anti-establishment. They have gotten more institutionalized as the years have gone by. They support big tech. They support the tech bro oligarchs. Their livelihood is tied to the fate of the US oligarchs. They are the sycophants. The yes-men.
Anyone who has been around before the tech oligarch era can attest to how different things are. What we have today isn’t anywhere close to the type of anarchist, anti-establishment type of nerds of the older internet eras. Today those types of people are all but extinct.
As you said, nobody actually talks critically about the tech industry. It’s certainly not in the way people used to. The term “walled garden” has long ago fallen out of the internet lexicon. The tech monopoly took root. The dominant narrative became of those in support of single closed ecosystems.
The tech nerd sycophants took over. There haven’t been competitors so long. There’s only one reddit. Only one twitter. Only one facebook. Only one youtube. And the prevailing mindset of tech is in support of this. Nobody speaks out against it. These companies have written the paychecks and funded the retirement of all those nerds.
There’s only one reddit. Only one twitter. Only one facebook. Only one youtube.
Not anymore, on the Fediverse, and I’m here for it.:-)
We’re not extinct, just older.
Sad thing is that the number of people your age or older only goes down.
For example, I never witness anyone on Reddit criticize Apple Computers for funding Twitter / X in 2025.
By funding you mean resuming advertising on the platform, right? I am not aware that Apple is financing X directly. In the end it is money in Musk‘s pockets, I know, but the distinction is worth pointing out nonetheless.
These are the kinds of helpful comments that made Reddit a great platform to visit, once upon a time. Now, I’m glad that we still get to read this type instead on the Fediverse.:-)
By funding you mean resuming advertising on the platform, right?
yes.
I rarely hear about apple at all. And most of the time it’s people bitching about them make the space bar a suppository
I rarely hear about apple at all.
It’s the influence on people’s behavior that’s far more my concern than the faith I have in people expressing self-awareness they have in terms of what they say (what you hear them say). Absolute addicts to technology can often not discuss their extreme addictions. You can witness the behavior all over in public since year 2010.
“One characteristic of those who live in a Technopoly is that they are largely unaware of both the origins and the effects of their technologies.” ― Neil Postman, Technopoly: The Surrender of Culture to Technology, 1992
The USA population and society has really lost all sense of what life was like before there was a constant notification stream of antics from billionaires. People are absolutely engrossed in the screen game of LOL at Donald Trump and Elon Musk so much they have no sense of life before 2008. There are huge numbers of people in March 2025 behaving as if Donald Trump is a new event and have lost every sense of him having been elected and in office in 2017.
13 years there and millions in karma. I left when they chose to become Zionists and hate-mongers
worldnews was a plague, i had to block that sub. i was also reminding people in pics sub how the pict was about gaza and it wash bashing on biden pushing propaganda, and also gaza conflicts in the past had very little effect on elections, i just block and report those people. mostly it was inappropiate for that sub too.
I never understood WorldNews. I said back in November pretty plainly that Trump won and so I fear that America would eventually leave or attack NATO. I said I was afraid that Trump would side with Russia outright. That we would abandon our allies in the Pacific, too. That our inaction would create a gap for China to fill. That the gap might be big enough to embolden China who then might make moves on Taiwan.
And I was downvoted (which is fine) but the comments I got were kind of bewildering. The people who engaged with me were trying to convince me that Trump would never side with Russia and there is no evidence ever of this.
And of course here we are now. And all of these things are happening.
The whole Gaza thing you mention—I understand the outrage—but I wonder how much of it online was manufactured in places like Pics because of the election.
Seeing the conversations here on Lemmy makes me think…there’s something very weird going on on Reddit. I’ve rode out Reddit drama over the past 12 years. This is not the narwhal at midnight website. This is something very dark.
Yes, but note that it was happening here as well. Certain places here were HIGHLY active in the BoTh SiDeS sAmE activity, just prior to the USA election, and similarly influenced other elections world-wide. Learn which places these are, so that you can take full advantage of the Fediverse, which isn’t “a place” so much as a forum software that allows many many places to share their content - but all sides here are NOT equally dedicated to truthiness.
Here is one example:
Judge for yourself what you think might be the intention for making and spreading it… although if we are going by the mantra of the effects that it may have caused possibly being the reason for which it was made, it looks to me to suggest that people in the USA should not be enthusiastic about voting or encouraging others to vote for Kamala Harris.
Edit: to be clear I’m not suggesting that Lemmy is “the same” as Reddit - in some ways we are worse here, being even more authoritian than Reddit was (or rather “is” I guess:-P), but in other ways it’s so, so much better, in that we can pack up and move to another instance and simply carry on, having access to the vast majority of content as before (exceptions include defederations and a DM directed to our old account won’t follow us), which was (oops, “is” again:-) not true for Reddit.
People should be free to vote outside the two party system with no spoiler effect. Changing how we vote will let people vote how they want and still have their vote count against the Republicans.
Why are the democrats saying no to these votes? Why do they continue to use the voting system republicans prefer in blue states they control?
Videos on Electoral Reform
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.
I still see active accounts over a decade old
rather suspicious since only bots have those types of accts, i have a hunch reddit is actually accessing those accts or allowing bots to take over the accts. i heard people couldnt log back into thier old accts
There are bots too but you can tell a bot. Usually anyway.
They didn’t all leave. It’s not a hive mind. Especially since reddit got popular and the original base got fragmented and whatever.
Reddit bad!
Now where are my upvotes?
I am literally here, now, commenting on this because I am reading the article to this on reddit and … I can’t believe they are going to start punishing upvotes! That is the final stray for Reddit. Its dead. Gone the way of Digg. I am literally here now to start moving over to Lemmy.
I just realized - and must keep in mind, with a federated platform like lemmy, all of your upvotes and downvotes are broadcasted across the network. ANYONE could track your upvotes and downvotes in THIS system.
I had no idea how much I valued voting privacy.
Here is an example of an instance admin abusing the privilege of being able to see who voted for what content. OTOH, this incident was noted, and people started abandoning whole entire communities there and moving them elsewhere.
THIS is the freedom that the Fediverse offers: not that you can do whatever you want, but that you don’t have to remain beholden to anyone else (like spez), and instead can move elsewhere at any time, while still accessing the entirety of the Fediverse (unlike Reddit which gates it behind their API limiters, for the sake of profit).
You don’t have voting privacy here on Lemmy though, and theoretically instance admins could “punish” you based on voting patterns.
But decentralization helps that
If an instance becomes oppressive, nothing is stopping you from going to a new one. You can’t do that with Reddit. Let’s say my instance Lemmy.ca becomes awful, I can make a new account on another and still comment on this community. That’s the beauty of the Fediverse.
On the other hand, harvesting that sort of data is as simple as creating an instance and Federating with whatever sub you want to spy on
whatever sub you want to spy on
Is it really considered spying if the sub is pretty much shouting the information freely to whoever wants to request it?
I have intercepted this communication to say yes, it’s still spying! 🕵️
If I post to a public website in a plaintext protocol and my ISP also intercepts+logs that transmission, is it spying since the post was public anyhow?
So keep that in mind when interacting with the fediverse
These are public forums, it’s almost the point for things to be public. You could argue that votes shouldn’t be part of it, but ultimately due to the decentralized nature they must be communicated to all servers
I mean any organization that’s a risk to use my data maliciously is one that can afford buying it, so I actually prefer this to my data being equally easy to access but reddit gets paid for it.
My comment isn’t too say that Reddit is good, but rather that we might be able to do things on Lemmy a bit better for user safety/privacy. Aggregating upvotes to an origin seems good to me
But then they would be easier to spoof and thereby enact vote manipulation.
PieFed was doing some experiments along those lines. Personally I don’t like the idea of fully anonymous voting and would rather go the other way and make them fully public - that would give people pause before doing things like downvoting every single reply to a post or every post in a community, or following people around and downvoting everything that they do.
Voting ideally would be a 2-way proposition where someone can offer their opinion, and the recipient should have the ability to choose whether to receive it or not - i.e. be able to block someone who is abusive, or whole entire instances where that is exceedingly common (cough Hexbear cough, and their very common alts on Lemmy.ml).
I hate to say it, but if you’re that concerned I wouldn’t up or downvote anything.
They already do, some instances or communities will ban you for downvoting everything.
Which is kinda fair, why are you here if everything displeases you?
Honestly, I don’t even like the downvote/upvote system because it promotes censorship and a lot of the times it’s just an agree/disagree button. I feel that no matter how right or wrong someone is, they should always be able to express their opinion in a civil manner (obviously there are mods for removing rule breaking posts/comments). Downvoting just kills any discussion.
I’ve been places without upvotes and downvotes and they’re just garbage piles of spam and useless replies.
The Steam Comminity Forms for instance: if you’re trying to get any useful information on a recent release go somewhere else, as half of what you’ll find is people complaining that the game is *woke" (because there is a woman or a minority in it somewhere), and the other half is people complaining that the game isn’t a completely different genre.
With downvotes the useless, troll, and off topic comments can be filtered out to not clutter up the useful posts.
Absolutely: the voting systems were out there for a reason:-).
Not really, it’s removing the comments that isn’t violating is the real problem. There are definitely comments that should be downvoted for many reasons
Well ideally that’s how downvoting should work yes. In practice it’s abused a lot as a “I disagree” button.
I’d rather people just downvote and move on than engage with trolls or trade insults with each other.
i dont mind downvoted, but auto-removal by mods is kinda worst, because they will just set the filter to remove certain words, and then the account gets flagged.
Well, I don’t disagree with you. All I’m saying is that I’ve personally seen the downvote function being abused a lot. It kinda works for making interesting posts visible but in the comments it usually leads to certain arguments (even civil ones without insulting or trolling) being downvoted and hiding the comment. Karma is honestly meaningless to me, I just enjoy conversations and seeing different opinions even if I disagree with them. I see why it exists and in a perfect world it’s a great way to make moderation manageable on bigger platforms (like reddit and lemmy). Sadly we don’t live in a perfect world.
Trolling and insults usually break rules and can be reported. Comments like that deserve all the downvotes they get since they detract from discussion and don’t add to it. Although honestly most forums I visit deal with that pretty well too (with no karma system in place).
Is it really the fault of the system then, if it was set up with one intention but then was abused?
Btw, reddthat.com has downvotes disabled, so if you made an account there you would never see them again. The downvotes would still affect the sorting of the comments on other instances though, and thereby the frequency of replies.
I for one want downvotes, if I say something incorrect then I deserve it, but I don’t want downvotes from people who are just trolling - nor upvotes from them, nor replies either - bc then it takes some of my time and attention to try to guess what is going on, and sort true facts from their fictional views of the world.
So for me, it’s not “voting” that I would like to see addressed and fixed, but rather the presence of trolls. Which PieFed (and the Lemmy apps Sync and Connect) provide many tools to help with, e.g. it can block all users from an instance, unlike the Lemmy feature of the same name that merely acts as a community muting but does not actually block the users themselves in any way.
I love how PieFed is heavily pushing towards the democratization of moderation, but that’s another subject altogether I suppose:-).
You are not allowed to even nod at a reddit article anymore. The voting system on lemmy is broken though. Your votes shouldn’t follow you.
shouldn’t follow you
Do you mean… across communities? PieFed has a community-specific metric iirc, or else it was coming soon, but Lemmy has nothing even close to this.
PieFed also has anonymous voting, but I am personally against that, as it seems too easy to abuse. I’d rather go the other way and make everything fully public. If you want to offer someone a criticism, then why not attach your username to that message being sent? Doing that would make for a much more civil environment IMHO.
There are upsides and downsides to everything. Open votes means it’s harder to manufacture consent. That’s something someone on Reddit could do, where they bot vote their own content to the top of the feed and nobody would be none the wiser because you don’t know how and when someone voted. And it’s not really a “could do”, it’s something that (at least a few years ago) happened regularly.
But on Lemmy voting is open so if someone starts up a bot farm to push their content to the top it is (relatively) easy to discover.
Banning for mentioning Luigi is just absurd. Up voting has been a thing for a while , they just extended what it violated. Before this, up voting excessively or so soon after account creation flags you as a bot
What’s Digg?
Digg was a news and comment aggregation site before Reddit existed. It was pretty fantastic for its time. Reddit is like Digg on steroids.
Funny enough, Digg is making a comeback
Mod:
Please link directly to articles, and provide archive links in the body or comments. I’m not locking or removing this at this time, but please take note in the future.
FWIW, seeing that the link was to an archive encouraged me to check out this Lemmy post. I understand the policy decision, but I wish I could see an indication in my feed that an archive link is available.
I like being able to see the source before I consider investigating further - archive.org links at the top level make that harder.
Understandable, although it is difficult and time-consuming to moderate such links, and nearly impossible if they are allowed outright. In this case, there was already significant discussion before it was identified (as well as other factors), so I made a judgement call to permit the rule violation. This is a user who should know better.
You may be interested in using the tesseract lemmy client, which provides a smart linkbox on every post which includes archive links, etc.
Not even an acknowledgement from OP, that’s just disrespectful and shitty.
Oh no, somebody didn’t respect a faceless mod on the internet?? What is this world coming to!
Excuse me, I have a face. It is clearly a lemming astronaut holding up a peace sign. * huffs off stomping in my space boots *
Finally, Reddit can die
I was one of the many MANY victims of unjust banning, and I just want my niche communities here, all the weird expansion and transformation porn I like, DBD Shitposting, and The Sims 4 troublshooting… ahh…
Cardinal rule of being a reddit refugee on lemmy: if you want a specific community from reddit that doesnt exist here already, start it.
Can I interest you in !WomensStuff@lazysoci.al I started it this week. It’s for all things women from fashion to strident feminism.
A bit easier said than done: some don’t have the time and mental space to dedicate to moderate a community.
Do my method: Start it, invite others to mod. Let the passionate ones take over the ones you do not want to keep. Seed content as much or as little as you want. It is very, very passive work.
Definitely. Lemmy is pretty collaborative in that regard. Most communities have lots of mods to help balance the workload. That being said, Lemmy is very much a “grassroots platform”. Everything we have here we build together. Not any one person is required to become involved in creating spaces here, but if there’s a space that doesn’t exist yet and you’d like it to then you’d have to start that ball rolling somewhere.
As soon as some activity starts, people who want to mod will show up.
I settled over here when the API Desaster happend. I lost some communities, but I found new ones. Rarley, I have to engage with reddit for troubleshooting, but I treat it like any forum that I am not registered in, get my info and leave again.
You’ll settle in and you’ll find the places you like here. And then you can always try to start a community of your own and see if it sticks. Many don’t, but some do.
I came during the API debacle as well! It was easy to see enshitification in the proverbial tea leaves.
We really need to stop putting the “M.B.A. having” class of people in charge of things. They’re good at money, and that’s about it. Ask them why they do a thing and you’ll quick realize they’ve nurtured an idea of “fiduciary responsibility” where most people keep their moral compass.
Your average C suit will degrade themselves and everything around themselves until they’re no more than a walking billboard for socialism.
I want my Fandoms and porn here. The niche stuff is the only reason why reddit has any appeal anymore.
Is there even porn on Lemmy? Asking for a friend
Search Lemmy NSFW online, it’s there, just disconnected? I still don’t understand the different “nodes”.
The word you are looking for there is “instance”, like for you lemm.ee is your instance.
And if you scroll to the bottom of any page, you can see the instances list of all the other ones that are connected or disconnected (the latter called more often “defederated”) from yours. lemm.ee is connected to https://lemmynsfw.com/, although it looks like something is wrong with the connection between it and feddit.org (e.g. it’s not reporting even the Lemmy software version for it, plus the encoding for the name looks different than on Lemm.ee - someone may have typed it in wrong?), so @affenlehrer@feddit.org you’ll have to contact your instance admins to tell them about that.
Even then, to connect to the communities for the first time is quite a process: you can figure out what the URL is going to be, then try to go there, then request to join, then wait maybe a day and the content should show up (but only new content form then onwards, while old stuff is a lost cause at that point). Most of the time someone else (with more experience) has already done this for you, but if they have not…
Btw PieFed solves all of these issues (except it might not allow porn? I’m not sure but I don’t see it anywhere there), whereas Lemmy is quite a bit behind in its software experience that it offers. The entire Fediverse though is more for the '“early adopter” mindset than like Reddit, where everything “just works” (so long as what you want is in alignment with increasing their profits). Using Lemmy is a LOT like using Linux - except here there’s basically no documentation that someone is pointed to, you kinda just have to ask or read and find stuff out as you go.
Barely any, sadly. We need more gals (and guys, too) to bare themselves here so it won’t be bare-ly anymore. Bears are acceptable, too. Not just twinks.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/reddit-comment-replacer/
Kill their LLMs training to. It takes a little bit! But it’s script to replace your comments.
I was too, but it was Feb 12-13 I got banned, unjust one of my acc received a 3 day temp ban, but simultaneously it triggered reddit to ban 5 of my other accts site wide, but the ban message never indicated what was the actual violation but the generic" You violated several accounts policies" which made think it was entirely automated
This article fails to mention that Huffman has previously praised Musk and how he runs Twitter.
Huffman said he saw Musk’s handling of Twitter, which he purchased last year, as an example for Reddit to follow.
More importantly he’s a doomsday prepper with fucked up views:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich
I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.
If I end up on top after the apocalypse I’ll go out of my way to get him as a slave.
#EnslaveSteveHuffman
I planned on catching him for sport, followed by slowly serving him up like kebab to poorer after the apocalypse.
hunger games.
In Hunger Games they usually die swiftly, in this situation he’s being kept alive as long as possible.
I have no idea what you’re about but just based on this alone I’d let you share my tire barricade
Nice, thanks. Because the only way I’d survive the apocalypse would be as part of a community, I’m not exactly the warlord type. And plenty of people in the thread are on board with the same idea, so I’m fine with sharing spez.
What a tiny little apocalypse fuckbag. Fuck Spez.
YES!! THANK YOU!!
huffman caught whiff of what’s happening, and this is just a stupid empty move to stir people up and try to cause chaos. everything that’s happening is so that people can manipulate and exploit investments. i got my second (or third? fourth?) permanent ban for bringing it up… well probably - i don’t know because reddit removes the comment it bans you for and doesn’t let you see it. so fucking done.
I might actually loathe him more than Musk.
they want something like a 4400 future, if you watched the show basically its the rich/wealthy enclaves in thier perfect city, while outside is like madmax/desolated. add in a little time travelling, superpowers and body possession arcs. i dont think it lasted many seasons.
The entire system wants you to forget about Luigi and the entire issue. Sort of memory hole it like so many other things and let them punish him in secret. So it’s no surprise Reddit and others will try to Streisand it.
Exactly. That’s the best part. There would have been a Luigi article every once in a while giving an update or whatever. Nothing is going on with him rn. But blocking his name is getting everyone talking about him again, and some are switching platforms because of it.
Streisand effect, much like how Msm was trying to paint as a degenerate killer, and made people find out why he did it
They have been suppressing Luigi news every chance it pops up
Luigi Luigi Luigi Luigi Luigi
We have free speech here.
Kinda. We have a bunch of small instances each with its own set of rules/norms. Lemmy.ml for example is not going to take a very different approach to moderation then lemmynsfw…
Everyone says that, but I haven’t run into any issues and .ml is the main one I use
You’re lucky! I did run into issues.
And you might never. But lemmynsfw is a porn instance whereas .ml is not. Hence different goals for moderation.
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Since you deleted your comment within the last 15 minutes of posting it, it still shows up in my inbox.
“Try saying something bad about China”
Okay.
The CCP is a blight on humanity, just like the IDF/Israeli government, Russia, and now including the US. Fuck China, I’ll never set foot in that country (except maybe Hong Kong) if I ever had the opportunity.
Now say that in a .ml-run community
But in an .ml sub, like !worldnews@lemmy.ml or whatever they have over there, or even the official announcements sub. Bonus points if you reply to a federated Hexbear user with that.
Winnie the Pooh sucks my ass.
He want dat honey.
Reminds me of the HD decryption key fiasco on digg. Everyone just kept posting it over and over in every thread. Moderators started banning people. People started jumping ship to Reddit.
It’s what caused the first digg exodus, with the better known redesign failure being the second.
It’s kind of sad that it isn’t as pronounced as it was on Digg.
I don’t get it. Reddit’s so much more egregious than digg was - why haven’t more users jumped ship? the soul of the platform was broken with the API change, yet most users stayed, and the ones who did leave haven’t shown up here.
was Lemmy just not ready?
On r/RedditAlternatives people say e.g.:
- it’s software made and run by tankies
- it’s way more difficult to figure out how to use, than e.g. Reddit, much like Bluesky is easier than Mastodon
- it looks so much more empty, especially for topics not about using Linux or generic memes - where content at?
- they don’t need apps and will continue so long as Reddit hasn’t killed off old-Reddit yet
- they don’t want to bother with change, and their niche sub is where their current community is located, with very few others willing to move, hence they do not either (crabs in a bucket)
Obviously all of these have at least a germ of truth, as well as being mixed in with laziness and believing falsehoods, like that Reddit isn’t already changing underneath them, so that even using old-Reddit as they have for years, it’s not the same anymore as it was.
Also, Lemmy isn’t doing well in terms of adding new features to capitalize on attaining more users - e.g. in many ways the software here is even more authoritian than there, since while there is a modlog there is no modmail, no notification upon removal or locking of your content (notice the similarity here to being shadow-banned?), and the modlog simply says “mod”, so there is zero recourse to understand or appeal a mod decision. Plus lemmy.ml routinely instance-bans people from communities that they’ve never even heard of, for a single criticism of something going on in Russia, China, or North Korea (which ofc would be perfectly understandable for a rule violation, except that’s never stated anywhere in any rule set!?!?!? how are people supposed to follow the “rules” when nowhere are they ever written down!?).
And don’t even get me started on the TROLLS here!!! That is the express purpose (this one even written down, tbf!:-) of Hexbear, to have the opportunity to “dunk” on liberals - which itself is totally fine, so long as both parties give consent to it, but the trouble comes when it spills out from those communities, or when someone stumbles into them by replying to a post seen in the All feed, without the ability to read the side-bar text first explaining what it is all about.
Lemmy requires ENORMOUS efforts to curate someone’s feed, by blocking users, communities, and even whole entire instances (speaking of, the Lemmy feature that “does that” actually does not do that - it would have been better named as a community mute, since it still allows users from the instance to appear in communities not located specifically on that instance), and in the meantime people get bullied and name-called for their beliefs. Surprise: most normies do not enjoy that happening to them, hence just walk away rather than put up with all the gaslighting and other crap coming at them from Lemmy users. We aren’t terribly welcoming here, in many ways.:-(
Because the user experience didn’t change, so it wqsn’t obvious unless you kept up with specific news.
Also, it’s still where all the porn is.
at least on reddit people are complaining about the shadowbanning thats been going on, they said it was also unearned and criticized teh admins why were some accts shadowbanned for 10years,.
They’ve also really amped up the content moderation bots and are on the warpath for anything perceived to be bot accounts. Shadow bans are being given out for accounts that are hours old and haven’t even posted.
If you’d only said it three times, you would’ve summoned him. So close!
(L)
Corporate overlords silencing discussion while selling your data to advertisers. Classic digital fascism.
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