• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    19 days ago

    Can you please respond in good-faith? My point is that market economies can exist within a broader Socialist economy, and that as the private sector develops into monopolist syndicates, it makes itself ready for public ownership and central planning, a strategy we can watch in real time in AES states.

    Can you please explain your interpretation of Engels here?

    Will it be possible for private property to be abolished at one stroke?

    No, no more than existing forces of production can at one stroke be multiplied to the extent necessary for the creation of a communal society. In all probability, the proletarian revolution will transform existing society gradually and will be able to abolish private property only when the means of production are available in sufficient quantity.

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      19 days ago

      Market economies? The thing you said need to be gotten rid of, but not via democratic means?

      So if a socialist revolution doesn’t get rid of the problem of capitalism, what does?

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        19 days ago

        Market economies can be rid of by degree once a Socialist state is established. The Socialist revolution is the mechanism of this process.

        Can you explain the Engels quote?

        Will it be possible for private property to be abolished at one stroke?

        No, no more than existing forces of production can at one stroke be multiplied to the extent necessary for the creation of a communal society. In all probability, the proletarian revolution will transform existing society gradually and will be able to abolish private property only when the means of production are available in sufficient quantity.

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          19 days ago

          I don’t really care about the Engels quote. I want to know exactly how long you expect this to take. Because Earth isn’t getting any cooler, so if this takes any more than 4 or 5 years, it isn’t going to matter.

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              19 days ago

              That’s not an answer. Will it take more than 5 years to end the use of fossil fuels through this revolution?

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                    19 days ago

                    I really don’t see what your point is with this, first you claimed Socialist states aren’t Socialist because they are Marxist, but that you don’t care about Marxism, and now you’re asking for a guarantee of climate action within 5 years. You’re all over the place. What’s your goal?