• Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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    18 days ago

    These organizations have been around for decades, yes? Seems like there’s never going to be a when.

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      18 days ago

      That’s the same logic as saying there’s never going to be a cure for cancer because research has been done for decades.

      As Capitalism gets older, it trends towards monopolization, increasingly complex production methods take increasing amounts of investment to compete, killing the ability of smaller competitors to exist. The Rate of Profit shrinks the less human labor is involved with production, which is only temporarily countered by consolidation, even further monopolization! Wealth concentrates in fewer and fewer hands, Capitalism reaches a moribund stage.

      What is undeniable is that this disparity is increasing further and further, and monopolization is increasing further and further. The revolutionary potential of the Proletariat is held at bay through further exploitation of the Global South, which appears to be weakening over time.

      While nobody can name a date, I find it even harder to believe that someone could meaningfully believe that the trends I listed are going to reverse themselves and have Capitalism last forever.

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        18 days ago

        Except lots of cancers now have cures, and there are vaccines for others, so no it isn’t.

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          18 days ago

          Yes, and there have been successful Socialist revolutions, you’re only weakening your point.

          Do you believe the remaining cancers will never be cured because they currently aren’t?

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            18 days ago

            Successful ones? Which country is currently a socialist one? Where do the workers control the means of production?

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                18 days ago

                The workers do not control the means of production in any of those nations. You’re just lying now.

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                  18 days ago

                  What do you think Marxism is? When you say “workers controlling the Means of Production,” what specific vision are you talking about, where majority publicly owned and planned economies are not Socialist?

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                    18 days ago

                    Well for one thing, such countries don’t have billionaires and and a stock exchange with private corporations like in Vietnam, China and, I am guessing if I looked, in the other countries you listed too.

                    If a handful of people or just one person owns a bunch of factories, a few individuals control the means of production. And do it to gain capital.

                    Someone remind me what an economy is called when there’s an elite group of wealthy people who get rich off of their capital gains…