That is not my dog

  • The Picard Maneuver@startrek.websiteM
    1222·
    1 year ago

    I think as it grows, we’ll see more and more of the same crowd, but the structure of Lemmy will help the culture feel different.

    Nobody can own Lemmy, by design. (Even the creators just have the .ml instance)

    No ads, and no corporate pressures to be advertiser friendly.

    No weird profit-driven decisions.

    • Mongostein@lemmy.caEnglish
      31·
      1 year ago

      Well, an instance could decide they wanted to try to make money, but I think everyone would just bail on them. People are more than happy to help out servers with donations, no need to make it a business venture.

      • joenforcer@midwest.social
        218·
        1 year ago

        I don’t think so. There are very few communities that actually successfully fully left reddit. A good number of them splintered across circlejerkers on multiple lemmy instances with the users remaining on reddit asking “what’s a lemmy” and staying put. The vast majority never left reddit at all, and don’t give a fuck that reddit is trying to build a business.

        Where the lemmy hivemind fails is that a bunch of us are reddit refugees that lost our favorite mobile apps, so you get a bunch of delusional people here thinking that reddit is dead and lemmy is the best thing ever. It’s not. Lemmy has a lot of the same problems reddit had, and we’re just repeating history. Wait until you need to squash extremism, prevent illegal content, and people maintaining the main instance (don’t kid yourself, it’s lemmy.world) need to eat.

        • ANGRY_MAPLE@sh.itjust.works
          6·
          1 year ago

          For me, that’s not the case. I enjoyed the amount of content and discussion, but I just lost interest in reddit over time.

          I saw the same jokes too often. I got sick of seeing the ads. The admins perma-banned my fiancee’s account, despite her never really commenting or posting. They never gave a reason for banning her, other than going against “policy”, which they never specified when asked. It would be the equivilant of being banned from every single instance. Some of the “helpful” communities were becoming much more toxic over time. I stayed despite that stuff.

          Then, the API thing happened. It wasn’t that reddit wanted to profit, but rather how they went about it. Had they been honest with the developers when they asked at the start of the contract year, it would have been much smoother. You can’t change the cost of a yearly subscription halfway through the year. I disliked the provable false rumors that were spread about developers.

          I disliked that Spez heavily implied that people leaving reddit would harm reddit employees. He didn’t make that statement about someone who made those threats, but instead he made it about the people leaving. It left a very bad taste in my mouth. I’m not monetarily supporting someone like that if I have any say in the matter.

          I disliked the sudden overwhelming toxicity that I saw start against people who were recommending Lemmy. I get being rude to people who are rude, but it’s lame to be rude just because. Someone told me that I would be back, that I should just wait to see them right. That person helped me stay off reddit, tbh.

          I don’t understand fanaticism, regardless of the company/platform/group, etc. If I start to dislike a social media, I will move somewhere that I like better. If Lemmy becomes like what Reddit is today, I’ll leave Lemmy too. There’s always something else. I also don’t really care if Reddit sinks or swims. That has nothing to do with me. If I get sick of all social media, I won’t use it. There are lots of other things to do with free time.

      • squiblet@kbin.social
        1·
        1 year ago

        I picture the problem being someone doing that low-key. It’s common for app developers to get offers to install privacy-violating code in exchange for very tempting amounts of money - like, have a somewhat successful piano or to-do list app that you make $15k a year from? Wel, how about you install this spyware crap and we’ll give you $60,000. It’s difficult for small developers to say no. I could picture the same thing happening with Lemmy instances - a small change in ToS, some new JavaScript, and many people wouldn’t notice. At this point Lemmy members skew towards tech and privacy aware, but it could happen later on as the membership broadens.

    • qyron@sopuli.xyz
      5·
      1 year ago

      The scenario of companies opting to host instances may happen, just to try to jump into the bandwagon, which could imply they could/would at some point start to run ads but I’d risk the instance would quickly be defederated and/or turned into a hell pit.

      But the notion of seeing an instance being run by GOG, Valve/Steam (not a client or fan but I aknowledge they have put a lot of work towards Linux and gained a lot of support because of it), AMD (fanboy here, give me a pass), RPi (I am aware of the shady turn they have undergone) and other companies that have some degree of respect in the Fediverse could be interesting.

      • crabArms@lemmy.world
        2·
        1 year ago

        Say more about the shady turn for RPi?

        Haven’t kept up with them for years but that seems like important info

        • qyron@sopuli.xyz
          2·
          1 year ago

          Read on one thread here about the RPi5 they took the evil route by funneling most of their stock to enterprise customers, which hurts the DIY hobbyist and end users trying to get hardware for the proposed purpose, which should be experimenting and learning.

          This causes market shortage and hiking prices.

      • HRDS_654@lemmy.world
        82·
        1 year ago

        Yeah, but you can pay a pittance to remove the ads. It’s a one time fee of 3.50. Granted it’s still proprietary, but I chalk that up to the dev not knowing a lot about FOSS. Both the Sync and Boost devs came from developing Reddit apps and you need more cash flow to pay the proprietary API.

      • Gork@lemm.ee
        5·
        1 year ago

        I don’t mind the news bot ones as much as the ask Reddit type threads that get crossposted here. If the OP can’t even see our responses (since the discussion is on Reddit), and a bot created the thread here on Lemmy, what the hell is the point.

      • ekZepp@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        1 year ago

        I filtered off 99,9% of the bot from the setting, the rest seems pretty normal content. The “lack” of user is just what it is for a newly adopted platform. Ofk the small new community needs time but the progress in few months was incredible. We are not talking of social like Xitter/Thread, where all you need is to move the user and recreate the page. Reddit work as a big discussions database with years of old content wich new user search all the time to find guides and info, you can’t replace that overnight.

  • cley_faye@lemmy.world
    612·
    1 year ago

    Most of reddit’s content is user generated to some extent. If there’s bad content, it’s because of people. Most of lemmy’s content is user generated. Same cause same consequence.

    If we want to delve into what could be different… moderation. Made by people (aside from very far-reaching illegal stuff, on both platforms).

    Conclusion: the problem is people, not reddit nor lemmy.

    Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

    • sbv@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      11·
      1 year ago

      Most of lemmy’s content is user generated

      It feels like half the global feed is bot posts.

    • pmk@lemmy.sdf.org
      5·
      1 year ago

      If people will be people, the interesting difference will be how the platform works. I guess this is the true test of the federated approach. What does it hinder or facilitate in practice and what are the actual effects?

  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 ℹ️@yiffit.netEnglish
    451·
    1 year ago

    I never really found it that different. Just less populated.

    Same format. Similar groups. Similar users (though mostly the sane ones, but I attribute this more to the less populated part more than anything). Similar if not the exact same content.

      • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 ℹ️@yiffit.netEnglish
        71·
        1 year ago

        I posted about as much there as I do on Lemmy. For 10 years. It changed over time from when I first joined until I left with the appocolypse, but I’ve seen many forums, chat rooms and social media things do the same. It’s mostly the people that influence the content and culture, not the UI/UX the owner of the site made or changed. Generally, everything gets turned to shit once it hits enough users and the ratio of users who developed and experienced a certain culture are lower than the new users who have no frame of reference and end up shifting that culture.

        This even has a name. It’s called “Eternal September.” From when college Usenet services would be flooded with new students in September that didn’t know proper etiquette and such. It was happening with Reddit before the whole API price stuff, for me, and the killing of the app I used was really just the kick in the pants needed to finally ditch it (that and there being an alternative that popped up).

        • Liempong_Pagong@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz
          21·
          1 year ago

          Yeah, I noticed it on my subscribed subs. For me the eternal September made itself felt in 2018 but I bet it started earlier for others, depending on the subs you visit.

  • cricket97@lemmy.world
    5617·
    1 year ago

    Lemmy has just as many terminally online weirdos as reddit, except I’ve noticed there’s a higher concentration of extremists. In my short time here, I’ve been threatened by someone to dox me and accuse me as a pedophile, and another person wishing death upon me because I disagreed with them about policing. Definitely still some weirdos here

    • Smoogs@lemmy.world
      16·
      1 year ago

      the Reddit nightmare when someone tells you to go KYS over something as innocuous as a differing opinion on games…and so you report a KYS comment and then the Reddit admin simply send you the suicide hotline and dust off their hands. NAILED IT.

    • frezik@midwest.social
      14·
      1 year ago

      I made the mistake of checking the inbox on my old Reddit account, and there was a new reply from a post I made a year ago. It was one giant paragraph with few punctuation marks and almost all lowercase. It started out with “you sound dumb”, went on to say I need to accept Christ into my heart, and that the devil was using me as a tool and would spit me out when he’s done with me.

      What was it in reply to? I said a guy cited in the article was a crank, and not a real scientist, because he believed the moon was made of plasma.

      • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
        7·
        1 year ago

        went on to say I need to accept Christ into my heart

        I despise people who are so arrogant as to push their religion on strangers. Some of the only people I won’t treat courteously irl.

    • gayhitler420@lemm.ee
      195·
      1 year ago

      Was the pedophile accusation in the same thread in which you were claiming drag shows are too sexual for children? Was the disagreement about policing in the thread where you said rehabilitation doesn’t work and the only way to keep society safe is to lock up more people?

      e1: the post wishing death on @cricket97@lemmy.world was in response to their multiple comments defending the dangerous actions of police that resulted in the death of a bystander made in a thread on !thepoliceproblem@lemmy.world, which has explicit rules against defending the police.

      here’s the post:

      CW: descriptions of death

      You’re a bootlicking asshole who worships cops. Your idea of justice is catch the “criminal” and damn anyone that gets in the way. Fuck you man. I hope you become some of that collateral damage one day. I hope your family gets to miss you because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time as some careless pig chased a stolen car straight into your driver’s side door.

      and here’s the thread in question in case anyone else wants to read it

        • gayhitler420@lemm.ee
          3·
          1 year ago

          I’m not sure if it does myself but I wanna read what happened and those were the most recent threads I saw that roughly fit the description.

          • Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml
            21·
            1 year ago

            He told The Police Problem that police should be able to police people. The result was unsurprising.

            That’s a group of people who are utterly cooked.

        • gayhitler420@lemm.ee
          62·
          1 year ago

          I’m not sure. I want to look it up and see what was said to them so I asked about the two threads they were commenting in most recently that it could be.

      • cricket97@lemmy.world
        43·
        1 year ago

        So what? None of those opinions justify the threats I got. I do think drag shows are often too sexual for children. And I do believe rehabilitation should take a backseat to keeping people on the street safe. That was the basis for which I received those threats for, and predictably people like you come and imply I deserve it.

        • gayhitler420@lemm.ee
          21·
          1 year ago

          I haven’t had time to read the drag show thread but I didn’t see anyone wishing death upon you in the policing thread after a quick glance. Can you link it if I missed that reply?

          • cricket97@lemmy.world
            32·
            1 year ago

            I believe both posts were deleted after I reported them. Is there a way to view deleted replies on lemmy?

              • cricket97@lemmy.world
                31·
                1 year ago

                https://lemmy.world/comment/3879109 here is the comment wishing death upon me.
                I’ll keep searching for the one that threatened to hack me and dox me as a pedophile who raped kids. It actually wasn’t in either of the two threads mentioned, it was another thread.

                • gayhitler420@lemm.ee
                  22·
                  1 year ago

                  thanks for providing the link! lemmy modlog can be hard to navigate sometimes so i understand it might take a while to chase the other post down.

                  you went into a thread in !thepoliceproblem about an innocent bystander getting killed due to cops actions and defended the police. here’s the other person’s entire reply, for posterity:

                  cw: descriptions of death

                  You’re a bootlicking asshole who worships cops. Your idea of justice is catch the “criminal” and damn anyone that gets in the way. Fuck you man. I hope you become some of that collateral damage one day. I hope your family gets to miss you because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time as some careless pig chased a stolen car straight into your driver’s side door.

                  I do not hope that you die.

                  after reading your responses in that thread i do think that person is right about everything else though. you go out of your way to defend the criminal justice system and the carceral state in the context of a discussion about how it’s endangering bystanders in a space that is explicitly about the problems with the carceral state, the criminal justice system and militant policing.

                  you’re the problem in that thread, not someone mouthing off because you didn’t read the room.

                  the room, by the way, has “If you’re here to support the police, you’re trolling. Please exercise your right to remain silent.” as rule number two right there in the sidebar, so there’s really no excuse for acting the way you did and then snapping back at the person who politely pointed that out to you later in that thread.

                  look forward to seeing the other post.

      • Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml
        11·
        1 year ago

        I’m not surprised it was the police problem, they think police should be unable to do anything, companies should accept theft as a cost of doing business, and they will scream like chimpanzees in the comments if you disagree with them.

        Utterly deranged group of people.

    • Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      4·
      1 year ago

      Wait but I like terminally online weirdos, and radicals… Maybe thos with better social skills though rofl. Anyway consider yourself doxxed and swatted and swiftied and your house is being eaten by antifascist carpenter ants.

    • mechoman444@lemmy.world
      73·
      1 year ago

      That’s because all the asshats that have been banned for saying shit like that on Reddit are here now and haven’t been banned yet.

      It’s just a matter of time before the nazi mods and wokies take over.

      • banneryear1868@lemmy.world
        174·
        1 year ago

        Yeah once someone on fuckcars found a post of my car in a car sub. The idea I have a car I like, yet dislike the fact I need a car, seemed to break their brain. In true reddit fashion they were instantly in cringe debate-bro mode.

        Childfree is another one full of weirdos who take it to a whole other level.

        • Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          10·
          1 year ago

          What the actual fuck that’s not ok. I like fuck cars content, but yeah motherfucker I drive every day this is life.

        • frezik@midwest.social
          4·
          1 year ago

          Yeah, there’s a few places that get stuck in a purity cycle. It’s not enough to dislike cars and think they shouldn’t have such a special status in our society; they need to be gone entirely, with zero consideration for deliveries, people with disabilities, how to rearrange existing cities to make this work, or other special factors. It’s not enough to resist societal pressure to have children; people who have children are evil for even bringing up a child in a world of doom.

          I’m on board with both. Been building a DIY e-bike conversion to reduce dependence on cars, and my wife and I long ago decided not to have kids (and took steps to permanently make sure it doesn’t happen). The extreme versions of these views aren’t productive.

    • PutangInaMo@lemmy.world
      31·
      1 year ago

      Yeah reddit is the mainstream and lemmy is bleeding edge.

      But imgur… those weirdos are just flatlined on crazy lol

    • SirStumps@lemmy.world
      410·
      1 year ago

      I mentioned a few ways the Democrats and Republicans are similar and the “open” minded Democrats just started trying to demean me. Not one Republican btw. Blows my mind the irony of these extremists.

  • Astroturfed@lemmy.world
    412·
    1 year ago

    I don’t know if it’s the way they’re sorted or the voting, but the comments sections are well less mind numbingly stupid. People at least make logical arguments and have a point generally. Not a whole bunch of recycled bullshit. On Reddit I could guess with about a 75% certainty what the top comment was going to be before I even opened it.

  • eumesmo@lemmings.world
    27·
    1 year ago

    At one hand, I like lemmy for being smaller and cozier, but on the other, the possibility of reddit becoming unprofitable due to lost users is so awesome to be missed.

    COME ON REDDITORS, JOIN LEMMY AND LET REDDIT ROT!

  • explodicle@local106.comEnglish
    253·
    1 year ago

    ITT: “My problem with this platform where nobody is in charge is that it has more extremists than the platform where a for-profit corporation is in charge.”

    • /home/pineapplelover@lemm.ee
      84·
      1 year ago

      Freedom of speech allows for freedom for everybody to speak for better or worse. This is an essential human right and should not be suppressed unless it harms one another.

        • BearOfaTime@lemm.ee
          4·
          1 year ago

          But the comment was about the platform, not the instance.

          Though it’s good that you point this out about lemmy.world.

          I do take issue with the label “extremists”. That’s a value judgement, which is a problematic thing.

          Not allowing anything illegal, or clarifying specifically what isn’t allowed, is different than such a label.

          Everyone’s definition of extremist is different. I don’t even use the label because it’s practically meaningless.

  • Nobsi@feddit.de
    3514·
    1 year ago

    Oh god am i glad. The amount of tankies is insane. Can’t wait for more middle and left leaning people to join.

    • Spaceinv8er@sh.itjust.works
      184·
      1 year ago

      Right like holy shit! I never even knew what the term tankie was till I came to Lemmy.

      It’s like some people here want Stalin back in power, but for the whole world.

      • Nobsi@feddit.de
        114·
        1 year ago

        Yep. And everyone disagreeing obviously is just a nazi or doesn’t know history

        • Guildo@feddit.de
          316·
          1 year ago

          You’re like a Nazi, cause you’re doing holocaust-relativism. The fact that you’re german makes it more scary.

          • Nobsi@feddit.de
            92·
            1 year ago

            What does the Great Leap Forward mean? What is the great Cultural Revolution? What does Tianenmen square massacre mean? What happens to the uyghurs right now?
            The last time we spoke you couldn’t or didn’t want to answer any of these questions.

              • Nobsi@feddit.de
                21·
                1 year ago

                If i did, how would i spend my weekend?
                Lemmy is still kinda empty, i have nothing better here to do than to tell people who dont touch grass how much not grass touching they’re doing.
                I am enough of an ass to keep going. I will stop when we get more normal stuff to talk about.

    • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
      81·
      1 year ago

      Some apps let you block instances. Lock out Lemmygrad and Hexbear and you don’t see that many tankie takes unless you go looking.

    • realitista@lemm.eeEnglish
      81·
      1 year ago

      I think there’s a few of them but they are highly vocal and unhinged. I only had to block 2 of them, and things seem pretty okay right now.

      • Nobsi@feddit.de
        11·
        1 year ago

        Yes, incredibly unhinged. Probably don’t ever talk to normal people.

          • Nobsi@feddit.de
            34·
            1 year ago

            L Take + coomunism + okay communist + capitalism is when you’re poor + communism is when our glorious leader makes us all starve + all hail the USSR + over 60 Million Deaths + 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region

          • Nobsi@feddit.de
            31·
            1 year ago

            What does the Great Leap Forward mean? What is the great Cultural Revolution? What does Tianenmen square massacre mean? What happens to the uyghurs right now?
            The last time we spoke you couldn’t or didn’t want to answer any of these questions.

              • Nobsi@feddit.de
                23·
                1 year ago

                动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门

                • Guildo@feddit.de
                  15·
                  1 year ago

                  Was willst du damit bewirken? Kommst du dir nicht dumm vor? Dämonenvertreibung?

            • Guildo@feddit.de
              24·
              1 year ago

              I never denied anything about it. That’s your fantasy, bro. But that you don’t understand what the word holocaust means and that you are doing holocaust-relativism is a fact. Everybody can read your messages here on the platform.

              Um es noch mal in deutsch auszudrücken: Ich schäme mich für dich, dass du sämtliche Aufarbeitungsdiskurse in diesem Land komplett ignorierst.

      • Nobsi@feddit.de
        32·
        1 year ago

        Not talking about you. I’m talking about the genocide deniers and "when you bring counter arguments that i have no answer to i will just argue with you on something else"people.
        Alcohol is fine if it’s your cope or fun method.
        Tankies aren’t drunk tho

      • asudox@lemmy.world
        51·
        1 year ago

        In YouTube, you’ll mostly just see Reddit stories being presented with some minecraft parkour in the background. Somewhat most of them are automatically generated by a software that picks a ongoing or hot post in the selected subreddit, gets some top comments and then a TTS program reads the comments out. It is possible to make this for Lemmy as well. Though it depends on how “true story” the Lemmy users can make. I can already see c/asklemmy being one great candidate.

        • squiblet@kbin.social
          1·
          1 year ago

          Reddit has also historically been mined by spam websites, made permissible by the content license. Spam article writers find an AskReddit from 4 years ago and make a 15 page “click to the next” article, packed with ads, from all of the most popular comments.

  • solstice@lemmy.world
    256·
    1 year ago

    Don’t worry, lemmy definitely beats Reddit in the socially maladjusted toxic asshole department.

      • solstice@lemmy.world
        51·
        1 year ago

        I truly enjoy a good debate “in good faith” where both parties lay out their positions and defend themselves and challenge my views. There’s very little of that here. Just pure unbridled rage and astonishing ignorance.

    • squiblet@kbin.social
      7·
      1 year ago

      I’ve had 2-3 experiences like that on Lemmy and kbin, but far more on reddit. On Lemmy it tends to be “intelligent but deranged person who hates you” while reddit tends to be “insane or unintelligent person who hates you”.

      • solstice@lemmy.world
        161·
        1 year ago

        Some of the people here are downright scary in how toxic and antisocial they are. I just got called a social vampire in another thread for having the audacity to say I personally want to return to office because I miss learning from colleagues, which just doesn’t really happen when everyone is wfh. I’m pretty introverted myself but holy shit, the vitriol was intense. Unbelievable.

        • Torvum@lemmy.world
          43·
          1 year ago

          They’re the people who are in the bottom percentile of intelligence, but fail to realize it and instead think every thought they copied from someone else is God’s gift to man. Instead of being smart enough to think or move on they’d rather just exist in their bedroom dwelling on the infinite doomscrolling mentality where every other loser who congregates the forum pats them on the back for being another copy-pasted tankie with no social skills.

          I have blocked so many communities from showing up because I know I’m going to just see the same trite extremist weirdos over and over. Still would rather use this for memes and random info scrolling over reddit simply because of the development policy differences

          • solstice@lemmy.world
            41·
            1 year ago

            I said I miss learning through osmosis, when you hear colleagues talking about something you may have heard of or read about but never seen in real life. So you get hands on practical real life experience on new concepts - or vice versa, teach someone else something new. You know, a healthy exchange of knowledge and ideas to help each other learn and grow. Fuck me, right?

            This guy posted a 3000 word rant about how much he hates me, and he’s going to need weeks to prepare for that mentally and make sure he’s got the right outfit on and knows what kind of soda to offer me. Like dude wtf…

            • Torvum@lemmy.world
              1·
              1 year ago

              Think I actually remember seeing this lol. I saw some fuckin weirdo on a post about how quality of life and level of extreme poverty has only risen saying he doesn’t care about that, just that he’s fighting to stay work from home, that no doctor will agree with him on being adhd, and that he’s tired of working a job that he HAS to socialize with people saying he wish he hadn’t been born. Meanwhile, long term relationship, no money problems, but boohoo life is so unfair and the usual city dweller cringe doomerisms.

              These people are fucking delusional and in their own psychosis I swear.