• SnuggleSnail@ani.social
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    11 months ago

    The article states that any gain in substantial ground for Russia would be deemed a victory.

    If these are the victory conditions, then Russia is really close to victory. They just have to negotiate a cease fire and uphold it, until the borders become normality and a peace treaty is signed with them.

    It is really just a definition of what it means to win and loose.

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      11 months ago

      That would be like if a football game with a 60 point lead changed the rules mid-game to say that the victory conditions for the team losing by 60 points is now just gaining a single yard.

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        11 months ago

        That’s war. You have a victory target and try to achieve that. We do not know the victory target of Russia (we only know the propaganda they are spreading publicly).

        The victory target may also change over time with what is realistically achievable.

        So it is difficult to speak of winning or loosing without that information.

        In a sports game, the teams agreed on the terms before the game started.

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          11 months ago

          Yeah, but Russia is in an objectively worse geopolitical position than before the war. Before the war, Ukraine was a staunch Russian ally, and SW/FI weren’t NATO members. Also, they had ~5000 more tanks and a couple hundred thousand more servicemen. Also, CSTO was a thing. Also, Kazakhstan. Also, Wagner didn’t attempt a coup showing how weak Russian leadership is. Also, the Black Sea Fleet had a flagship floating on the Black Sea.

          It’s as if the US went to war with the UK, broke apart NATO, lost a couple carrier groups, and said “we’ve got Scotland so we’re totally winning”.

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          11 months ago

          In that case, we’ll have to change the term from Pyrrhic Victory to Putic Victory.