A viral clip from 2021 shows Donald Trump’s running mate hyping an antidemocratic plan once pushed in Hungary that would give people with children more voting power.
First off let’s talk about that hot take of yours that people with kids are more invested in the future.
One of the reasons that I don’t have kids is because of the future. I don’t deserve a medal for it, it’s just where I stand. But, talk with parents about why they had kids. It’s never about how great that child’s life is gonna be- climate change will make their life fucking hell.
It’s a patently stupid reason to disenfranchise voters because people with kids are slightly more likely to be conservative than people without… and people with lots of kids are significantly more likely to be conservative.
Further, it’s the kind of ignorant argument that those with lots of kids will accept as a reason to vote against their own best interests.
Second off, the idea that parents are voting for their kids requires a patently false assumption that parents will always be voting for that child’s interests. Kind of like how it was assumed slaveowners had the best interest of their slaves…
Which, given the republican push for child labor…just how dystopian do you want to get?
The suggestion wasn’t to remove the vote from people who don’t have children.
No. the suggestion was to give people who already have a vote increased voting power. next you’ll say it’s okay because kids only count as 3/5’s a person.
Because the idea being shit on is awful and would make the problem objectively worse.
You’re actively arguing to disenfranchise who-the-fuck-knows how many Americans based solely on the fact that they choose to not have kids. And your argument is “parents are special” which is bullshit and then “but it already sucks”.
Yes. So why make it worse? Parents aren’t special or better. Many parents are too stupid to use birth control and wind up with “Ooops babies”. There is no objective moral superiority to being a parent, nor any objective insight or wisdom that non parents lack.
So your justification is patently absurd. And you come back with “but why not?”- because it would make things worse.
Because your ideas are horrible. You’re not just building a bad system hundreds of years ago that’s over time sorted into a partisan warp on policy that we can’t easily get rid of, you’re proposing, in the modern age, selecting for the type of person you want to influence the government. That’s very much worse.
Why? We select the type of person we want to influence the government all the time, they’re called party conventions. The parties get together and figure out what their platform will be, and only the people who are in that party get to vote, and the people with money get to influence the result.
This is entirely nonsense. A delegate is not a type of person, nor is a voluntary and open party member, and political corruption is not codified electoral preference towards a better class of citizen. You’ve started this whole storm of comment arguing an immoral and poorly thought through philosophy of ‘parents are just better political deciders’ and with every whatabout and excuse for discriminatory systems have demonstrated conclusively that no, you are not.
I don’t get how you’re not understanding this. A parent is responsible for more than 1 person, because in order to become a parent you have to have children. You disenfranchise those children by default for 18 years to increase YOUR voting power. This suggestion is just a form of voting by proxy for people who should be represented but currently are not.
Bull-fucking-shit.
First off let’s talk about that hot take of yours that people with kids are more invested in the future.
One of the reasons that I don’t have kids is because of the future. I don’t deserve a medal for it, it’s just where I stand. But, talk with parents about why they had kids. It’s never about how great that child’s life is gonna be- climate change will make their life fucking hell.
It’s a patently stupid reason to disenfranchise voters because people with kids are slightly more likely to be conservative than people without… and people with lots of kids are significantly more likely to be conservative.
Further, it’s the kind of ignorant argument that those with lots of kids will accept as a reason to vote against their own best interests.
Second off, the idea that parents are voting for their kids requires a patently false assumption that parents will always be voting for that child’s interests. Kind of like how it was assumed slaveowners had the best interest of their slaves…
Which, given the republican push for child labor…just how dystopian do you want to get?
The suggestion wasn’t to remove the vote from people who don’t have children.
So your entire argument is predicated on a faulty base.
No. the suggestion was to give people who already have a vote increased voting power. next you’ll say it’s okay because kids only count as 3/5’s a person.
The state of Wyoming has 2 US Federal Senators, for 576,000 citizens. The state of California has 2 US Federal Senators, for 39,000,000 citizens.
We already have systems that change voting power of an individual based on arbitrary things.
Why is this one worse?
Are you really arguing that because we have an unequal voting system, we should make it more unequal?
I’m saying that it’s already unequal, and nobody is planning on changing that.
So why shit on other ideas like you aren’t already doing that.
Because the idea being shit on is awful and would make the problem objectively worse.
You’re actively arguing to disenfranchise who-the-fuck-knows how many Americans based solely on the fact that they choose to not have kids. And your argument is “parents are special” which is bullshit and then “but it already sucks”.
Yes. So why make it worse? Parents aren’t special or better. Many parents are too stupid to use birth control and wind up with “Ooops babies”. There is no objective moral superiority to being a parent, nor any objective insight or wisdom that non parents lack.
So your justification is patently absurd. And you come back with “but why not?”- because it would make things worse.
Because your ideas are horrible. You’re not just building a bad system hundreds of years ago that’s over time sorted into a partisan warp on policy that we can’t easily get rid of, you’re proposing, in the modern age, selecting for the type of person you want to influence the government. That’s very much worse.
Why? We select the type of person we want to influence the government all the time, they’re called party conventions. The parties get together and figure out what their platform will be, and only the people who are in that party get to vote, and the people with money get to influence the result.
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This is entirely nonsense. A delegate is not a type of person, nor is a voluntary and open party member, and political corruption is not codified electoral preference towards a better class of citizen. You’ve started this whole storm of comment arguing an immoral and poorly thought through philosophy of ‘parents are just better political deciders’ and with every whatabout and excuse for discriminatory systems have demonstrated conclusively that no, you are not.
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So my idea is bad (it’s not my idea)
But, you’re okay with the existing bad idea(s)
Hell, the US even allows effectively unlimited money in politics if we want to get into bad ideas that hurt democracy that we already have.
Where’s your campaign to overturn those?
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I don’t get how you’re not understanding this. A parent is responsible for more than 1 person, because in order to become a parent you have to have children. You disenfranchise those children by default for 18 years to increase YOUR voting power. This suggestion is just a form of voting by proxy for people who should be represented but currently are not.