• mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de
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              I would consider Korea a draw. I wonder how much people conflate the two wars as they had similar objectives in the same world region.

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              In US schools they teach it as the US just withdrawaling due to cost and domestic pressure because teaching it as a loss would really tarnish the whole “we never lose wars, USA #1!” narrative.

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                Can confirm this. My teacher started sweating when I asked if that means Vietnam won. Didn’t get an answer just a subject change and the redneck kids in class eyeballing me funny. Sorry fuckos your daddies raged quit the field. That’s a loss. Git gud scrub 😂

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                In US schools they teach it as the US just withdrawaling due to cost and domestic pressure

                Also known as “losing.” LOL

                Most modern wars happen like this. Both sides commit until committing becomes untenable for one of the parties. That’s pretty much the only path to victory for Ukraine, for instance.

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                Technically the domestic/international pressure is the actual reason for the loss. The US had the capability to rule the ashes, but domestic and international pressure caused the withdrawal.

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              I mean, the US was kicked out, but I don’t know if I’d call what happened to Vietnam “winning” either. It’s more accurate to say they outlasted the Americans.

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        Both sarcastically and not. It kind of contrast the superficiality of political economies with regards to geopolitics. There’s a universe out there where America did Communism and China did Capitalism. Weird

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      Both President Obama and President Trump assured Vietnamese leaders in the past that the United States respects Vietnam’s differing political system.

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          China first invaded Vietnam in 111BC. Different dynasties had different priorities. But, off and on China comes across the border with several battalions. The Vietnamese just waits them out.

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        Yes, but Vietnam won no battle I know of. The US lost the will to prosecute the war due to unacceptable losses and loss of support by the US population. I kind of doubt they won militarily over China either. Don’t know about France.

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          The US failed to achieve all of its strategic objectives in the war while Vietnam achieved all of theirs.

          The US lost the war.

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          Sounds like we sent soldiers over to die in a foreign nation over no real basis to do so and got our soldiers asses handed to them by farmers

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            Correct. But with one exception and one addition. To call them farmers would be belittling them. They weren’t. Add the fact that conscription by the US was last used in this war.

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      Wait. Viet Nam as a proxy against China… Where have I heard that before…

      Oh well, probably not important.