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    When another poster asked, “Isn’t it possible that this was a deliberate terrorist attack rather than a tragic accident?,” Simon retorted, “It’s possible that you’re a useless shitheel rando on an internet hellsite speculating wildly and without regard to what is already known by authorities in Baltimore. Quick, have someone fund your podcast. You’ll go far.”

    To a poster who called Baltimore a “mismanaged, failed state,” Simon offered a well-worded correction: “The port is a state-run entity and nothing whatsoever to do with Baltimore municipal government, you absolute submoron.”

    To Anthony Sabatini, the former Florida congressman who wrote “DEI did this” – referring to diversity, equity and inclusion – Simon took no prisoners. “Your mother did you, but after a hard life of service on a truck-stop lot, can we really hold her loosened, battered womb responsible for dropping you head-first on the Winnebago floor and burdening our society with another empty, racist demagogue thereafter? We cannot.”

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    They’re starting to claim it was the fault of “DEI”. That’s their new thing, whenever any accident happens of any kind its the fault of “DEI”, by which they mean its the fault of minorities having jobs. How convenient that all the failures of poor management and cut corners due to profit seeking can so neatly be blamed on minorities they want to discriminate against.

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      They’re claiming that the Black mayor of Baltimore was a “DEI hire”, which is an absolutely bonkers thing to say about an elected official.

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        Much less the mayor of fucking Baltimore. It’s an extremely historically black city. If the mayor of Baltimore was a WASP that would be weird

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    The captain of the ship was Captain Ray Turner… That’s right, C.R.T. You can’t make this shit up.

    I mean I made it up, but you can’t.

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    I don’t consider a TV producer insulting a (obviously terrible) politician to be news, but I do enjoy this particular insult. It’s nicely crafted. It’s a pity he continues to use Twitter.

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      He’s a chronicler of Baltimore’s underbelly. He’s a subject matter expert of Baltimore and graft.

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      That’s not what a pratfall means though?

      Its two word put together, prat and fall. It means to PURPOSEFULLY trip up but make it look like you are clumsy.

      It’s a “stage” thing and done by clowns and actors generally.

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        Guessing it’s one of those context-specific things- some words have wildly different meanings depending on how/when it’s used.

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    The fuck? There are conspiracies about this already even though there was a live stream of it? What the fuck is wrong with people?

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      There were conspiracies the morning of. I asked if anyone at work had seen it, about 9 California time, they hadn’t but soon after seeing pictures and video some of these guys were calling for a conspiracy.
      So I leaned into it. Yeah Republicans refuse to fund infrastructure maintenance, so the conspiracy is get shipping companies to ram dilapidated bridges so their insurances fund the rebuilds.

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        The Key Bridge isn’t even that bad. There are WAY worse bridges. Just roll down the water a few miles and go after the Bay Bridge near Annapolis, for example. I’m still irritated that as bad as that pair of bridges is, there’s STILL no long term plan for replacement. We’ve been talking about it for at least a decade now.

        One two lane bridge (circa 1952), and one three lane bridge (1973) with a lane that is often set to the reverse direction - without barriers! No shoulders at all. You break down, you’re in the lane. People freeze up from fear driving over it, and I really don’t blame them - I’ve never had an issue, but there is little to block your view of water almost straight down out the side of the vehicle. Don’t forget the metal grate section that gets nice and slick in any sort of wet weather. And they carry far more traffic than they were ever expected to handle. Oh and there are often high winds that add to the fun.

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          The Mackinac Bridge is exactly the same. Built in 1957, with one concrete and one metal grate lane in both directions, and in winter, it’s sheer ice. It’s so long over a strait prone to high winds, you can feel the sway. I’ve had panic attacks halfway over it as a passenger – and I’m always a passenger even if I was driving in the lead-up because it scares me so much, I was too terrified my first time driving across it and was shaking so badly, I could barely steer. Maybe I’m a pussy, and they say it’s well-maintained, but I’ve read Michigan DOT’s state-wide bridge health report, and it’s less than exemplary.

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            I have driven over that bridge as well and it’s definitely a scary one. Especially since part of it is that metal grating which gets slick in any kind of humidity.

            But for me the Bay Bridges is worse (and I’ve driven the Bay Bridge many times, and the Mac only once - so you’d think familiarity would kick in). The Mac has the other lanes in sight, so it doesn’t seem as crazy small. Also, the Mac doesn’t climb as far over the water as the Bay Bridges do.

            I actually compare the Bay Bridge more closely to the old bridges in Charleston, SC that connected downtown Charleston to Mount Pleasant. The Grace and Pearlman bridges were quite exciting, the Grace was like a roller coaster. Like the Bay Bridges, the Grace had 2 lanes and the Pearlman had 3, one of which served as a reverse lane for trucks since the Grace couldn’t handle them. They didn’t have the height over the water that the Bay Bridge does (based on my memory), though. Those bridges weren’t replaced until 2005.

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        And religion + racism + fear of the unknown + social echo chambers can all be exploited. Remember that MTG floated a few years ago that space lasers caused California forest fires. Never mind the power requirements and ridiculousness that would require.

        I think the woman is dangerous as hell, but I don’t think she’s stupid. I think she uses dumb ideas to mobilize an ignorant base.

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          but I don’t think she’s stupid. I think she uses dumb ideas to mobilize an ignorant base.

          No, she’s pretty stupid. If she wasn’t, she’d be Steve Bannon or something similar, but instead she’s the amalgamation of crazy stupid that she is

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          Idk I think she’s stupid but I don’t think that makes her unwilling of a participant in her evil or less dangerous. She’s the voice of the bigoted idiots of America rather than someone selling to them.

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          You give her far too much credit, she’s incredibly stupid. The people who feed her this bullshit might not be, but she is.

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      People who dropped out of high school and think they never needed to learn physics are all watching the video and thinking, “why would a bridge fall THAT way?” and then blaming Biden because that’s what Fox and Newsmax keyed them into blaming.

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      Sadly truth doesn’t seem to matter anymore to a large group of people. As long as it matches their worldview they’ll just take anything at face value.

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      Most of the conspiracies I’ve seen are related to the fact that there were live streams of it.

      Some people are just unfamiliar with the fact that there are webcams streaming 24/7 in cities all over the world.

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    My current conspiracy theory as to the accident:

    The ship lost main power because the corporation that leases it doesn’t pay for sufficient maintenance because that would eat into executive bonuses and shareholder dividends. The ship lost control at a pretty pivotal time with no safety measures whatsoever in place, because “most of the time they aren’t needed.” And because this is the chronically negligent maritime industry, not much will be done about it industry wide.

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      Casual Navigation has (amazingly) already made a video about this accident and hypothesizes that the geography of the channels in the harbor may have pulled it to starboard. Had they not lost power they could have corrected, but it looks like happened at the worst possible moment.

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      Believe it or not, the insurance companies drive maritime safety requirements since they hate having to pay out for things like this. The classification societies that regulate and inspect ships to approve for insurance coverage have very strict and well thought out safety requirements that get better any time a new failure mode is discovered.

      I personally think this one was human error in an emergency situation.

      Theory: They lost primary electric service and began a slight drift to starboard. When they got backup power online, they began a crash reverse to slow down. This would hinder rudder control since the ship was still going forward and now just creating turbulence with the prop. Reverse would torque the stern to port, swinging the bow to starboard, as we saw. The bow thruster was offline due to the power issues.

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        Insurance companies, being for-profit institutions, are poorly suited to manage industry safety.

        As for theories as to exactly what happened in terms of “the power failure caused the rudder to remain 4 degrees to port and stopped the bow thruster, causing the ship to veer off course” or whatever…I’ll wait until Brick Immortar reads me the NTSB report.

        Being a pilot (as in an airplane driver, not a harbor pilot) as long as I have, I’ve had this conversation a lot:

        “Did you see that airplane crash in the news?”

        “No.”

        “Here look:” 3 seconds to look at a hastily googled headline and a badly taken photo of what looks like a mangled Piper Cherokee wing sticking up from behind something “What do you think happened?”

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    Why are these people so eager to push one story or another?

    The sane thing to do is to discuss the options.

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      There are infinite options. Entertaining all of them is not sane, and completely futile. If you have no ability to narrow down the field to the realm of plausible scenarios then you’ll never discover the truth of anything.

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      Having an open mind is a good thing. Opening your head to the point your brain falls on the floor isn’t.

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      Except there was literally a mayday call from the ship saying that they lost power and could not steer… So… That’s the only option worth descussing because that’s what happened. MJT or anybody else suggestion it was intentional is indeed a submoronic pirfall of a human being.

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    No one really knows the whole story. But there are factors that lean into the side of conspiracy. Several redundant systems would need to have coincidentally failed in order for the ship to steer and stay off-course the way it did. All this in the backdrop of food plants blowing up, the Biden administration blowing up Nordstream, it’s not hard to be skeptical in such times.

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      Several things need to happen or fail in EVERY accident. Every car accident is a mix of multiple factors at once; weather, driver inattentiveness, other traffic or obstacles, etc. It doesn’t mean every car accident or plane or boat crash is a conspiracy.

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          It’s not about believing, you should check assumptions and claims. Like the “several redundant systems” and main engine problems never occuring.

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      Several redundant systems would need to have coincidentally failed

      Jeez, it just shows you have no fucking clue. Main engine problems happen regularly with a big enough fleet of vessels. Meaning, it doesn’t happen often, but with hundreds of vessels it happens often enough.

      If you’d just have investigated the assumption how often main engines have issues you’d see this Google result: https://issuu.com/marinetrust/docs/w71/s/12145703

      Meaning, it happens often.

      Secondly, that “several redundant systems”. Wtf are you talking about here? A spare backup main engine?!?

      You’re assuming.

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      Do the world a favor, go live in a cave and make sure to close off all entrances.

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        Sage advice, brother. Clearly they’re going to release another bio-weapon, crash the world economy, and trigger riots throughout the country. While all this is going on, nuclear war will start in the middle east, and from there spread all over the world. China and Russia will team up and try to take over a weakened United States.

        Things are about to get real, for sure, but hiding only works very short term. I think the only way forward, after the initial attacks, is to link up with other like-minded people that share your values, and care for one another more than themselves. Even Mark Zuckerberg with his $100M bunker in Hawaii (with a submarine escape hatch) won’t stand a chance. It’s all delusion to think we’re going to survive what’s coming on material preparation alone.

        You’re totally right though. We need to get out of the cities (they’re going to be death traps) and get as much storable food as you can.

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      God I genuinely hope once a day while eating you randomly manage to bite your tongue. I hope it happens so much that one day you swallow a piece of it on accident and develop an addiction to the taste. Then one day you’ll kiss someone you love and suddenly you’ll find yourself swallowing their tongue, deaf to their screams. You’ll face your loved one in a trial and beg for their forgiveness and even if they wanted to they would not be able to reply. Then when you are thrown in solitary, you’ll starve yourself knowing what you did, and that you don’t deserve their sympathy, but still dream of the flavor as you took your lovers speech forever.