First of all, that comparison is bullshit and you know it. The Houthis are purposefully attacking American citizens abroad.
Second of all, I disagree that destroying their capabilities to attack would accomplish nothing and I have no sympathy for genocidal, rape happy slaver terrorists, so you aren’t tugging on my heartstrings by talking about carpet bombings.
Thirdly, as I mentioned, they’re genocidal slaver terrorists. So I do not trust them.
Fourth, this is why any politician supported by Lemmy is obviously going to fail. You have no conception of what normal people think is acceptable. For example: the average American does not hear about Americans being attacked abroad by terrorists who commit rape en mass, support genocide and have reintroduced slavery and think, “We should give these people what they want.”
oh but that was an accident, they didn’t know the truck with there logo that reported there location to the idf was an aid truck. That’s not there stated policy to blow up aid trucks.
Israel has implemented a full blockade of Gaza since the ceasefire ended. So if an American tried to drive an aid truck across the Gaza border, Israel would blow it up. That’s currently just a threat, and they haven’t done that, but the houthis haven’t attacked a ship since the ceasefire, they only threatened to which is what prompted this strike.
Are all Yemeni rape happy slavery terrorists? Because these bombings are pretty indiscriminate, a majority of the people are civilians. This latest strike was on an apartment building, not some secret houthi military base. They killed a couple terrorist leaders that will be easily replaced, while killing substantially more civilians.
the average American does not hear about Americans being attacked abroad by terrorists who commit rape en mass, support genocide and have reintroduced slavery and think “we should give these people what they want”
All of those descriptors except for the slavery one apply to israel and half of Americans give them unequivocal support.
This isn’t just giving them what they want, the large majority of the world wants a ceasefire in gaza, look at the UN votes. If everyone in the world supports reducing pollution you don’t turn that around and say north Korea and the taliban want to reduce pollution, and we can’t let them get anything they want so we should pollute more. That’s the height of reactionary, oppositional politics that destroys any progress and solidarity.
Israel didn’t purposefully attack Americans because they are Americans. It’s not much, but it’s a difference.
All of those descriptors except for the slavery one apply to israel and half of Americans give them unequivocal support.
And? That doesn’t dispute anything I said.
First of all, the UN would gladly vote Israel out of existence.
Second of all, I do not necessarily oppose a ceasefire. My point was that letting the Houthis get away with attacking us is stupid and, more importantly, politically indefensible.
They aren’t attacking the ships because they’re American, they are attacking any ship that passes through there, it’s not like Chinese ships get a pass because they’re not arming Israel. They are instituting a blockade, the same as Israel is doing in gaza, if anyone crosses there line, regardless of nationality, they will shoot.
letting the houthis get away with attacking us is stupid and, more importantly, politically indefensible.
And bombing an apartment building, when again they haven’t attacked us since the ceasefire, is morally indefensible. This wasn’t the houthis decapitating and American on video and every major outlet covering it. This was all in response to a threat, the same threat that Israel has for anyone trying to get food in to Gaza. If you asked your average American what have the houthis done lately they’d respond “nothing i know of” and they’d be right. No one was asking for this strike except for the brain dead fox News audience who think everyone in the middle east is a terrorist.
If anything that’s worse. And it is not, in fact, part of any international obligation with regards to genocide.
So, they’ve attacked us in the past, they’ve promised to attack us again, they’re pretty much the worst people alive and you think leaving them to make good on their threats is a vote winnter?
They’ve attacked us in the past, they’ve promised to attack us again applies to a lot of countries. If we bombed all of them we’d be embroiled in countless wars across multiple continents with no exit strategy and no real objective besides revenge. Do you think multiple forever wars is a vote winner?
Let’s switch from Israel, even though your description applies to them, and look at one of our traditional enemies, the taliban. Do you think a majority of Americans would be for bombing apartment buildings in Afghanistan again because of a threat? No, because they’ve seen this play out before and it doesn’t end well.
How would you justify leaving Afghanistan in the first place with this logic? The taliban still exist, and still threaten us and have killed a lot more then the houthis. Was finally leaving them alone a vote loser, or was it the stated policy of the last two winning presidential campaigns?
Ask your average American who was killed by the houthis, Iran etc. And they wouldn’t know. If these were the ultra patriotic people dead set on avenging their honor and voting out any politician trying to stop them, the names of those martyrs would be on everyone’s tongue. If you ask a Palestinian or Israeli who the other side has killed they’d rattle off a dozen names and go on a tirade of how evil the other side is, that is a people who want war. Americans don’t really care about the houthis and dont really want war.
The average person doesn’t care about this. Show me an article outside of fox News calling for this strike. Show me a viral social media post calling for whoever this guy was to be killed. Show me a protest calling for harsh treatment of terrorists. Show me people cheering for the justice this strike has brought after the fact.
Hell, Show me a post you made before this complaining about the houthis and how America needs to act.
No one was asking for this, and no one would’ve noticed if we didn’t do it.
First of all, that comparison is bullshit and you know it. The Houthis are purposefully attacking American citizens abroad.
Second of all, I disagree that destroying their capabilities to attack would accomplish nothing and I have no sympathy for genocidal, rape happy slaver terrorists, so you aren’t tugging on my heartstrings by talking about carpet bombings.
Thirdly, as I mentioned, they’re genocidal slaver terrorists. So I do not trust them.
Fourth, this is why any politician supported by Lemmy is obviously going to fail. You have no conception of what normal people think is acceptable. For example: the average American does not hear about Americans being attacked abroad by terrorists who commit rape en mass, support genocide and have reintroduced slavery and think, “We should give these people what they want.”
Explain to me how Israel blowing up a food aid convoy is different then the houthis attacking merchant ships.
Israel has implemented a full blockade of Gaza since the ceasefire ended. So if an American tried to drive an aid truck across the Gaza border, Israel would blow it up. That’s currently just a threat, and they haven’t done that, but the houthis haven’t attacked a ship since the ceasefire, they only threatened to which is what prompted this strike.
Are all Yemeni rape happy slavery terrorists? Because these bombings are pretty indiscriminate, a majority of the people are civilians. This latest strike was on an apartment building, not some secret houthi military base. They killed a couple terrorist leaders that will be easily replaced, while killing substantially more civilians.
All of those descriptors except for the slavery one apply to israel and half of Americans give them unequivocal support.
This isn’t just giving them what they want, the large majority of the world wants a ceasefire in gaza, look at the UN votes. If everyone in the world supports reducing pollution you don’t turn that around and say north Korea and the taliban want to reduce pollution, and we can’t let them get anything they want so we should pollute more. That’s the height of reactionary, oppositional politics that destroys any progress and solidarity.
Israel didn’t purposefully attack Americans because they are Americans. It’s not much, but it’s a difference.
First of all, the UN would gladly vote Israel out of existence. Second of all, I do not necessarily oppose a ceasefire. My point was that letting the Houthis get away with attacking us is stupid and, more importantly, politically indefensible.
They aren’t attacking the ships because they’re American, they are attacking any ship that passes through there, it’s not like Chinese ships get a pass because they’re not arming Israel. They are instituting a blockade, the same as Israel is doing in gaza, if anyone crosses there line, regardless of nationality, they will shoot.
And bombing an apartment building, when again they haven’t attacked us since the ceasefire, is morally indefensible. This wasn’t the houthis decapitating and American on video and every major outlet covering it. This was all in response to a threat, the same threat that Israel has for anyone trying to get food in to Gaza. If you asked your average American what have the houthis done lately they’d respond “nothing i know of” and they’d be right. No one was asking for this strike except for the brain dead fox News audience who think everyone in the middle east is a terrorist.
If anything that’s worse. And it is not, in fact, part of any international obligation with regards to genocide.
So, they’ve attacked us in the past, they’ve promised to attack us again, they’re pretty much the worst people alive and you think leaving them to make good on their threats is a vote winnter?
They’ve attacked us in the past, they’ve promised to attack us again applies to a lot of countries. If we bombed all of them we’d be embroiled in countless wars across multiple continents with no exit strategy and no real objective besides revenge. Do you think multiple forever wars is a vote winner?
Let’s switch from Israel, even though your description applies to them, and look at one of our traditional enemies, the taliban. Do you think a majority of Americans would be for bombing apartment buildings in Afghanistan again because of a threat? No, because they’ve seen this play out before and it doesn’t end well.
How would you justify leaving Afghanistan in the first place with this logic? The taliban still exist, and still threaten us and have killed a lot more then the houthis. Was finally leaving them alone a vote loser, or was it the stated policy of the last two winning presidential campaigns?
Ask your average American who was killed by the houthis, Iran etc. And they wouldn’t know. If these were the ultra patriotic people dead set on avenging their honor and voting out any politician trying to stop them, the names of those martyrs would be on everyone’s tongue. If you ask a Palestinian or Israeli who the other side has killed they’d rattle off a dozen names and go on a tirade of how evil the other side is, that is a people who want war. Americans don’t really care about the houthis and dont really want war.
Your comparison is wrong because we aren’t occupying Yemen.
The average person does not want us to bow and scrape before terrorists.
The average person doesn’t care about this. Show me an article outside of fox News calling for this strike. Show me a viral social media post calling for whoever this guy was to be killed. Show me a protest calling for harsh treatment of terrorists. Show me people cheering for the justice this strike has brought after the fact.
Hell, Show me a post you made before this complaining about the houthis and how America needs to act.
No one was asking for this, and no one would’ve noticed if we didn’t do it.
Show me five people who support your position that have won elections in the United States.