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      Meh, I’m not so sure. We need to get used to the fact that reddit’s fuckery is unlikely to ever re-produce the massive influx of new users that the API nonsense did in 2023. That was a one-off thing that drove out all the OG users. The people left on reddit are the types that refer to it as an “app” and probably don’t even know old.reddit exists. Those kinds of people will grumble but they aren’t going anywhere. And frankly, that’s fine by me.

      Edit: lmao okay, okay, Lemmy got 6 new users today. I get it. My point that we’re never going to see another user influx on the scale of the summer 2023 API changes has been proven wrong. Congrats everyone. Let’s hope half of them actually stick around.

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        reddit’s fuckery is unlikely to ever re-produce the massive influx of new users that the API nonsense did in 2023

        While Reddit might not have a single screw-up of that scale again, that is probably better for long-term Lemmy growth. I think we’ve forgotten just how ill-equipped the small handful of Lemmy instances were to cope with the 2023 influx. We have many more stable instances now, and the onboarding process is smoother.

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        I know that I just came from Reddit today, so… At least 1 person joined because of this fuckery lol

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        A small number of reddit users leaving translates to a large number of new users here, comparatively speaking.

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        Both me and my partner joined today. Problem is a lot of people don’t know about Lemmy, I’d never heard of it before today but someone commented about it on reddit in response to reddit’s latest nonsense.

        I’ll likely stick around reddit for a bit and do my part to comment about making the switch. I can’t blame people for not joining something they know nothing about.

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        My point that we’re never going to see another user influx on the scale of the summer 2023

        You never know. When Digg did a redesign basically all the Digg users fled to Reddit. You never know what is going to be the last straw. And since we’re dealing with network effects, there can be this feedback mechanism where people leaving leads to more people leaving. It’s hard to predict when something’s going to tip over.

        IMO, it’s just a matter of time. Reddit wasn’t profitable and now that they’re public their investors are going to demand growth and profit. That means enshittifying the site, and one of those changes is going to be too much. It could go on for years, but I’d be shocked if Reddit is still around in 10 years.

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          I’m sorry, never heard about shorthand systems.
          What’s that?
          And why can’t we have a comparable community here? (Like the one you linked and it’s about screen didn’t really give me any info on what it’s about ;⁠-⁠))

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            Shorthand is a method of writing faster and/or more compactly. Speeds over 200 words per minute are attested, or fitting an entire printed page on a sticky note.

            It’s an extremely niche interest, so the main thing preventing a comparable community here is enough active users who are interested. I’ve wanted to do a series of posts teaching one of the systems, but I’ve not hand the chance.

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              I’ve actually been interested in shorthand for years. If you want to migrate over some of the better old content from reddit, I’ll sub and see what happens

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              That sounds pretty cool actually! :⁠-⁠D

              Is it hard to learn?
              And could you maybe give me some entry level links or so?

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                I think so!

                The difficulty depends on several things, but the easiest systems can be picked up enough to use in a few days to weeks.

                I’ll try to put together an intro post this weekend. How would you rank these features?

                • Speed
                • Size on page
                • Less study required
                • Number of users
                • Ability to type it
                • Phonetic (texts written phonetically are about 20% shorter, but it is an extra thing to learn)
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                  As I’m rocking a reMarkable, my priorities would be ranked:

                  • speed
                  • size on page

                  Everything else, I’m not exactly decided on, like number of users isn’t really important to me, because I’m mostly taking notes for myself.
                  Phonetics also aren’t really important, because I’m mostly focused on technical stuff.
                  Study time? Well, it is what it is. And when it’s worth it, I’ll put in the time. But maybe it would be nice to have something quickly rewarding to start?

                  But this probably shouldn’t be orientated about my needs.
                  Anything you provide about this interesting topic, especially when you include practical usage, is absolutely appreciated!

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                    It’s all good. I just asked about your needs so I could give customised recommendations. :)

                    A popular option for folks that need exact spellings is Callendar’s Orthographic Shorthand. One of the /r/shorthand regulars digitized the instruction materials. It starts off as a simple alphabet replacement, then layers on more space and time savings. On the Fediverse, @masukomi@connectified.com has been posting her take on it.

                    An easier and more compact option is Ponish. The manual is… eccentric, but the system is solid. It’s a modernized version of the 17th century Tachygraphy system by Thomas Shelton. Because no characters depend on size to differentiate, you can write as small as your hand will let you. There is a lower speed ceiling than “Orthic” unless you do some system development of your own. I’ve got ideas for improvement, but that gets into the weeds.

                    Two other options worth mentioning: Sweet’s Current & Schlam’s. They look and feel more like cursive. The former gets complex, but it’s uniquely beautiful. Both are available on /u/Filalethia’s comprehensive shorthand archive.

                    I’ll try to contain my jealousy over the ReMarkable. ;) I’ve wanted one for ages.

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          there are a couple of niche communities there, that wont be easily replicated here if at all.

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            That’s the biggest problem with everyone doing the corporate socials’ enshittification cycles instead of POSSE and/or independent services. Cool communities just fracture and die.

            I’ve tried to get people to see this for decades. Maybe it’ll finally enter the zeitgeist this go around.

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        Not even with the other news of them warning people for upvoting content?

        It’s what got me over here finally.

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          and before that, it was the massive purge that was going on, and i believe its still ongoinging especially if they upped thier filtering of anything they deemed “bannable”, the people that lost the most were the ones using hundreds or thousands of accts to earn income for themselves. my hunch is reddit knows this, thats why they went after those bots/of accts, reddit wasnt getting a cut, and wonder why they do very little against propaganda trolls. i also use adblockers so reddit doesnt get money anyways.

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        I started the switch over after how grossed out I was with Reddit advertising betting on the elections, and the overwhelming number of bots and bad actors trying to influence people constantly in most of the subreddits. Since then, I’ve been promoting Lemmy, BlueSky, and the Fediverse as a whole on Reddit.

        I believe we are on the cusp of another great migration. The more enshitified things continue to get on Reddit, the more real people will leave for spaces like here. At some point it could just be mostly bots talking to other bots on Reddit.

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          mostly right wing propaganda, drowning out the actual news. right wing prop, includes just positng all the doge, and trumps gaffes. and whats not really reporting on the other sht.

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        Also, obviously we want more users, but do we want that type of user? Remember what Reddit was before digg, before a few ‘endless summers’ that happen every year

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        Yeah, we all know nothing in 2025 will ever be as consequential as what happened in 2023.

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        im an OG user, originally created for use of friendsafari on pokemon(i still have the og acct, that is flagged). i remember when they were there banning “illegal subs” like shoplifting and such, i know they moved to a international site(the users). they dint start aggressively banning til trumps first turn, like around 2018, now everything after that your comment is on thin ice every time.

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      I just joined Lemmy after lurking on the Fediverse subreddit for the past few weeks. I’m always open to joining new platforms, and I’m a quick learner. I don’t think my wife is willing to leave Reddit for Lemmy though… But I do suspect we’ll see some more people joining after this and possibly after they start locking content behind a paywall too.

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      Took me a min to figure out this place but yeah been a long time redditor. I got an email warning me I upvoted something they didn’t like so I joined up here.

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        I’m curious, what was hard to figure out? I assume it was something federation-related?

        I never really had a problem figuring things out (though I’m sure there are still things I could learn). The only difficulty was that when I was subscribing to communities, it was sometimes hard to know which was the “main” or “most popular” community. For instance, there are half a dozen fairly big gaming communities spread across various lemmy instances. Some get more posts, some get more comments. Reddit also had a few different gaming-related communities, but it was easier to figure out which were the bigger ones and which ones had a slightly different focus.

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      I’m glad I found this, Canadian owned!

      reddit is this: and I don’t think enough Canadians know.

      this is 2014. 50million raised. led by Sam Altman

      https://blog.samaltman.com/trump 2016.

      “Trump is right about some big things.” “Trump is right about the problem” “I take some risk by writing this” “this is not an ordinary election”

      in a way reddit helped facilitate and validate Donald Trump as a mainstream candidate helping him gain popularity and credibility with /r/the_donald

      Marc Andressan - “Marc Andreessen says half of his time goes to helping Trump at Mar-a-Lago” 2024

      Snoop Dogg - “I have nothing but love and respect for Donald Trump.” 2024

      Donald Trump Was Peter Thiel’s Most Successful Investment. “Thiel is one of the conservative mega donors that has the ability to shore up candidates that might need additional support. His spending is targeted, and his ability to spend millions can be impactful,” Reddit was targeted, to be impactful.

      Ron Conway - says “Crypto Economy” Is the Next Multitrillion Dollar Opportunity - 2021

      yesterday, - “President Donald J. Trump Establishes the Strategic Bitcoin Reserve and U.S. Digital Asset Stockpile”

      Jared Leto - “We want to see your America in all its imperfect glory.”

      now reddit is valued at $6 billion, off the data & memes of unsuspecting Canadians supporting their own threat to their sovereignty.