seems like the ‘safe’ public opinion is ‘we stand behind israel’ and the left opinion is palestinian support

i don’t live there i don’t have any particular interest or fascination with the region i don’t understand any of this pls don’t yell at me

  • wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one
    141·
    1 year ago

    Hamas is a bad palestinian group.

    But palastine minus hamas really holds no fault. Israel is the antagonist between the two nations.

    Hamas just just a terrorist response to that. And while terrorism is always bad, israel did actively cultivate that terror group.

    • redballooon@lemm.ee
      51·
      1 year ago

      Huh, interesting take. I guess Israel minus the settler hardliners is as unfaulty.

      • Bigmouse@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 year ago

        Meh… Israel helped make Hamas big, way before they were known as Hamas. Back then they just were an offshoot of the egyptian Muslim Brotherhood organisation. Fatah was/is secular and Israel sought to utilize islamist organizations agaibst Fatah, who they saw as their main opponent. And it worked. There was violence between secular and islamist palestinian organisations.

        But -shock horror- the islamists turned out to be a greater threat to israel than the secular fatah.

        It’s a little like 9/11. I vehemently disavow and condemn the attacks. But on the other hand, you kinda made your own bed so to speak.

          • radix@lemm.ee
            14·
            1 year ago

            Probably by fighting actual soldiers, not bombing civilians and kidnapping children.

          • wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one
            5·
            1 year ago

            So, specifically palestinians in general?

            I think based on what little I know of the region and the style of invasion, guerrilla tactics would likely be ideal. Finding some sort of ally on the global stage to help them argue their case against israels abundant political backing. Make the occupation as inconvenient for israels government as possible, while doing everything they can to shift the global publics opinion into sympathy for their fight.

              • wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one
                6·
                1 year ago

                The current engagement bombed a music festival.

                That is absolutely part of armed struggle. Look at ukraine, and how its usage of global opinion saved it from a 2 week slaughter fest by giving it the backing of US intelligence. Ukraine perfectly demonstrated how, if you are the underdog losing the war, being able to shift global public opinion of your situation can literally save your life.

                Instead, they alienated every nation who had a civilian at that event, gave israel an excuse to declare war and openly genocide their people instead of hide it in inches, made it racially charged by immediately releasing a statement blaming zionist jews and calling for jewish extinction, and gave their political opponents across the globe free and easy ammunition to shut up any pro palestine rhetoric or talking points.

                Hamas really fucked up. They gave anti palestine sentiment a free scapegoat target. They are lucky spain is taking the charge to try and distance palestine from hamas on the global stage, because its going to be even harder to shake israel of its massive global backing that it relies on in order to hold on to power.

                I sympathize with palestine. Israels government is run by monsters. But this action may be the spark israel needed to burn palestine to the ground, and its very very very hard to un-bomb civilians.

                  • wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one
                    4·
                    1 year ago

                    Hahahahahahaha, what??? Proximity to a prison doesnt make it a military target. They would have fucked up just as bad if they attacked the prison. Civilians are still civilians even when you disagree with how they spend their time. Unless you think the bombing of hiroshima was justified?

                    You were already given an answer. Repeating the question means I will repeat my answer. If you dont understand how the global stage is now a part of armed warfare, you are behind every armed force on the planet.

          • dalekcaan@lemm.ee
            31·
            1 year ago

            Without raping and murdering civilians, to start? Fuck Israel, but that doesn’t make Hamas the good guys.

              • dalekcaan@lemm.ee
                41·
                1 year ago

                Oh fuck off with that hexbear lemmygrad shit. I’m not talking about war as some nebulous concept, I’m saying raping and killing civilians is bad regardless of if you’ve been wronged or not. If that’s a controversial opinion to you, I have nothing more to discuss.

                  • dalekcaan@lemm.ee
                    41·
                    1 year ago

                    Ah yes, I forgot about that time Churchill bombed a German music festival and raped the survivors.

                    See, that’s the exact kind of whataboutism I’m talking about. Two wrongs don’t make a right, and frankly I suspect the only reason you give a shit is because hating Israel is such a hot tankie talking point right now.

                    Let me guess, Palestine needs to throw off its oppressors, but Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was a totally justified military operation?