But I can’t really blame them. Who wouldn’t want to know?
And who doesn’t do it? It’s just always MS who gets shit on for doing it. Everything and everyone tracks our every movement and click. If ET had been an android-phone he had been long called home before the intro started.
Don’t get me wrong, i effing abhor these things from the depths of my nerdy heart and do everything to block them all. But we just can’t avoid it anymore.
We can just hope to get it all blocked or that it at least only sends anonymous usage-data and nothing else.
Speak for yourself. Besides, all-or-nothing privacy is a false dichotomy. Giving out less personal data is still better than giving out everything, and you don’t need 100% privacy to be unprofitable to advertisers.
You misread. It IS unavoidable nowadays or most of the surface-web is non-functional if you block anything that isn’t content. Besides the amount of work it takes to just not be tracked rises and rises.
Doesn’t mean I don’t do whatever i can do avoid it. To every techy it should be more than obvious that there is no binary approach. You can only do more or less to avoid more or less but never eliminate it.
So yeah, the less the better. And one might even partially reach a state where one is unprofitable to advertisers. Yet that can change tomorrow or on the next site or when you use some phone-app or or or…
That’s what i meant with “unavoidable”. You can’t avoid a persistent ever-evolving problem.
Idk what you’re talking about. I have a pi hole and use uBlock and I rarely have any issues. And, when I do, it’s not even a site that I really care about anyway.
I think most software like this grows to a certain size and then they need the telemetry to identify issues. There’s so many hardware configurations and most people don’t submit bug reports or opt into their configuration being shared. It’s not an inherently bad thing, just some companies are taking more than they need.
Windows telemetry started with Windows 10. Windows 7 was the most stable Windows ever and hardware configurations were just as plentiful. Sure, the data helps but it’s hardly mandatory.
Nah, we will never have a GOOD Linux-phone. And if, it’s most likely NOT without tracking and whatnot.
Why should any company put money into a thing they can’t control after sale?
Sadly so, i might add.
Great. And the rest of the phone? And the adaption of the OS? The dev of all needed apps? And the marketing? And the legal stuff? And the tech-support? And the overall financing?
And how shall it be able to compete with being OSS as its only distinctive feature?
If you think they don’t use that data to try and sell apple products, I’ve got a bridge to sell.
They may not have an advertising network, yet, but they use your data for their interests. Currently, it serves their interests to pretend they are more private and secure, but they are not.
It’s always MS who has people on the internet defending them when they do it, to the point that it looks like MS social media presence is being carefully managed, like Apple. I saw it happen on Reddit too, and it happened less and less the more they got called out. The same “$70 a year for Office 365 is so worth it” is a talking point when I was on Reddit. Apparently, people here say the same thing.
I’m not defending them. I just dislike the silly MS-hate train. As if they were the only ones doing it. If apple does it, it’s a feature. MS is evil. That’s as boring and old like IE-jokes that are still around. I have more Linux-machines than win-machines in my home lab.
And every major crap has its fanboys and marketing-workforce defending their shit.
It has become really nasty for sure…
But I can’t really blame them. Who wouldn’t want to know? And who doesn’t do it? It’s just always MS who gets shit on for doing it. Everything and everyone tracks our every movement and click. If ET had been an android-phone he had been long called home before the intro started.
Don’t get me wrong, i effing abhor these things from the depths of my nerdy heart and do everything to block them all. But we just can’t avoid it anymore. We can just hope to get it all blocked or that it at least only sends anonymous usage-data and nothing else.
Speak for yourself. Besides, all-or-nothing privacy is a false dichotomy. Giving out less personal data is still better than giving out everything, and you don’t need 100% privacy to be unprofitable to advertisers.
You misread. It IS unavoidable nowadays or most of the surface-web is non-functional if you block anything that isn’t content. Besides the amount of work it takes to just not be tracked rises and rises.
Doesn’t mean I don’t do whatever i can do avoid it. To every techy it should be more than obvious that there is no binary approach. You can only do more or less to avoid more or less but never eliminate it.
So yeah, the less the better. And one might even partially reach a state where one is unprofitable to advertisers. Yet that can change tomorrow or on the next site or when you use some phone-app or or or…
That’s what i meant with “unavoidable”. You can’t avoid a persistent ever-evolving problem.
Idk what you’re talking about. I have a pi hole and use uBlock and I rarely have any issues. And, when I do, it’s not even a site that I really care about anyway.
Desktop linux doesn’t have any of this. And one day we’ll get real linux on phones too (with full featured support).
Canonical Ubuntu does or at least did though. Caused a shitstorm years ago despite it being opt-in back then. I don’t know how they do it nowadays.
KDE also has opt-in usage tracking but I trust that project enough to believe it’s really only for improving the software.
I think most software like this grows to a certain size and then they need the telemetry to identify issues. There’s so many hardware configurations and most people don’t submit bug reports or opt into their configuration being shared. It’s not an inherently bad thing, just some companies are taking more than they need.
Windows telemetry started with Windows 10. Windows 7 was the most stable Windows ever and hardware configurations were just as plentiful. Sure, the data helps but it’s hardly mandatory.
Nah, we will never have a GOOD Linux-phone. And if, it’s most likely NOT without tracking and whatnot. Why should any company put money into a thing they can’t control after sale? Sadly so, i might add.
You mean like the Linux kernel?
You understand that it’s not just about the software, right? Don’t you think there’s a reason there still isn’t any?
Are you aware oft open source CPU cores?
Great. And the rest of the phone? And the adaption of the OS? The dev of all needed apps? And the marketing? And the legal stuff? And the tech-support? And the overall financing? And how shall it be able to compete with being OSS as its only distinctive feature?
I’d love to have one but it won’t happen.
Basically the same approach
If it’s that simple, where is it? Where’s a prototype? A PoC at least?
That’s a good one! But to be fair, Apple calls home just as much. They just don’t sell that data (yet).
If you think they don’t use that data to try and sell apple products, I’ve got a bridge to sell.
They may not have an advertising network, yet, but they use your data for their interests. Currently, it serves their interests to pretend they are more private and secure, but they are not.
That’s what I meant. Of course they use that data and don’t let it sit on their servers not knowing what to do with it…
Totally. Wasn’t an apple-fanboy-comment. Apple even suck more. At least i COULD (and may!) change my pixel’s os to some privacy-focused one.
It’s always MS who has people on the internet defending them when they do it, to the point that it looks like MS social media presence is being carefully managed, like Apple. I saw it happen on Reddit too, and it happened less and less the more they got called out. The same “$70 a year for Office 365 is so worth it” is a talking point when I was on Reddit. Apparently, people here say the same thing.
It really is amazing to me that lemmy suddenly has an army of anti linux shills on it. Idk what the purpose of that even is.
I’m not defending them. I just dislike the silly MS-hate train. As if they were the only ones doing it. If apple does it, it’s a feature. MS is evil. That’s as boring and old like IE-jokes that are still around. I have more Linux-machines than win-machines in my home lab.
And every major crap has its fanboys and marketing-workforce defending their shit.