hi, i was interested if perl is still relevant in this day and age. Perl has been on the decline for a very long time now. Perl 6 (now named 'raku) not being backwards compatible with perl 5 code made the already small perl community even smaller by splitting it in half. A good example is lisp with it’s thousands of different dialects.

Is it still worth using or is it bound to legacy software forever? Like cobol.

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    Even if you’re writing JavaScript, you should be using proper indentation. What an odd thing to keep you from learning it.

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      I write code, indentation is something that the editor just does automatically. If I want to change indent settings I just mark the complete buffer, press tab, and magic happens.

      I’ve been using python for various stuff for a few years now as well, and the indent thing still annoys me.

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      Sometimes I want to write a quick oneliner or a quick algorithm to test things out. Or not worry about indentation when trying a solution I might discard in five minutes.

      With Python, I don’t have that choice.

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          Single line ID? What do you mean?

          Edit: I got it now.

          So I can place multiple for loops and conditional statements in one single line in Python?

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            List comprehension can actually do that, yes. This is one of the scripting aspects of python I use most commonly, and is probably one of its best-known features for creating “one liners”.

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              I read about it since I was curious. It seems like you have to craft your code in a certain way for it to be a one-liner. Whereas with many other languages, you don’t need to do such a thing. You just put everything in one line and off you go.

              Having said that, from a challenge-seeking perspective, writing python oneliners sound fun (I really mean this.)

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                Absolutely bizarrely incorrect take on like everything you’ve stated as though it were fact. This is some classic reddit hole-digging and I’m loving it.

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                  You brought me to the middle of the road in an interesting discussion about oneliners and you shove me back to the start. Way to go, buddy.

                  “Hurr durr u wrong u redditor!!”

                  Instead of feeling offended, why don’t you continue the conversation? Give me some proof that the stuff I read os wrong. Give me some examples, I’m curious!

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                    I’m no offended. It’s just weird listening to someone make shut up about something they clearly have no experience with outside of memes, while talking like it’s complete fact. It’s a strange thing to do.

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            I think it’s an autocorrect typo. Should be: If it is actually a single line, I’d argue that you do.

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      Things get messy though, when you have to break the rules of indentation once in a while or when you have “improper “ indentation. Whitespace is a stupidly messy thing. Indentation should be a style guide, not part of the language semantics.

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      No, it really is horrible. I’m an old timer who learned on FORTRAN and other languages that were still suffering from the punchcard era. Making logic based on character positioning, and adding unnecessary restriction, is just so frustrating and tedious. We got away from such constraints by the 1990’s. Let’s not go back.

      Sure enough, my kid’s Comp Sci teacher tried to use Python because he read how easy it is to use, but no one succeeded because of the formatting. No one succeeded except my kid, who also became a rock star by helping kids reformat. Anyhow, back when computers were primitive and limited, such restrictions were understandable. They’re not anymore.

      Currently I’m a fan of Groovy. All the capability of Java without silly requirements like semi-colons. All the simplicity of Python without silly formatting restrictions