• rxbudian@lemmy.ca
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    3 months ago

    What happens if they affirmed that both Israel and Palestine’s right to exist?

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    3 months ago

    Germany equating its historic debt to Jewish people with support for a particular state is an absolutely disgusting distortion of the German obligation of remembrance.

    Just like this, they throw under the bus any anti-Zionist Jew.

    Honestly, when it comes to Israel/Palestine, the German state should just do what their other genocide victim, Namibia, told them to do and Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Stay the fuck out of it. Say the honorable thing that you will abide by the rulings of international courts. Provide humanitarian aid, help refugees and displaced people. Be a ray of light and humanity, not a stickler for rules and definitions. Don’t be so goddamn fucking German for a change.

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      its historic debt to Jewish people

      One would assume this debt would be repaid with German lands and monies, rather than land and money looted from Arabs a continent away.

      Honestly, when it comes to Israel/Palestine, the German state should just do what their other genocide victim, Namibia, told them to do and Shut. The. Fuck. Up.

      Yeah, crazy how the Germans are full throated supporters of Israel, but you never see them waving big Nambia flags and asserting the rights of African state sovereignty. I’m forced to wonder why, as I flip through my history book of “German Prime Ministers After 1949”.

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    This is idiotic. Gandhi hated that Pakistan split off and said that he recognized their existence but would never recognize their “right” to exist.

    That’s not even an international policy. Does Castile have a right to exist? Does Kashmir? Does Kurdistan? Why doesn’t Germany demand the same for others?

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      3 months ago

      Because of our history with Israel? I am all against the genocide against palestinians but defending israels right to exist is a good thing

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        If “their right to exist” weren’t used to mean “their right to take land from Palestinians and create settlements in land they took through violence” it would be a bit simpler to agree with the statement, but the foundation of Israel itself has always been on pretty shakey ground. The only reason Israel has a right to exist is because it’s impractical that they’d leave at this point. They should leave the land they’ve stolen though.

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        No. Germany can recognize Jewish lives and the worldwide Jewish community without needing to play into the hands of a rightwing apartheid state and getting involved smack in the middle of their political dispute. This isn’t hard; it’s like being able to say Black Lives Matter without having to support and endorse the controversial policies of Louis Farrakhan.

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          Yes.

          There is a VERY specific reason why Germany is doing this, whilst staying out of other issues. If I have to point out that reason then I think that maybe you should pick up a history book.

          Also they aren’t saying that Germany is recognizing Jewish lives and Jewish communities, it says the state of Israel, you know, that appareheids state currently working hard to commit genocide.

          Anyone bringing but this issue with either Israel or Palestine being good and the other side being evil is just downright lying for whatever reason. Germany pushing this for Israel really REALLY begs the question: okay, cool, Israel has a right to exist. What about Palestine, and Palestinians in general? Should we just off all of them? Eradicate all of them, men, women and children alike, no matter what country?

  • Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Exist? Okay sure, why not.

    Bomb a Population to a pulp? FUCK NO!

    And thats why I will NEVER vote for any of these fucks again! My Party won’t make it into the Bundestag? I DON’T CARE! Because the other Party’s won’t represent me anyway, so I can easily vote for my small Party which at least represents me!

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      I’m avoiding all votes in my country due to their (all parties) silence on the current situation. Call me anti-democratic, but, for me, democracy died a long time ago.