• givesomefucks@lemmy.worldOP
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    7 days ago

    Military service is compulsory for most Jewish men and women in Israel. But politically powerful ultra-Orthodox parties have won exemptions for their followers to skip military service and instead study in religious seminaries.

    So…

    Their religious beliefs prevents them from having military service…

    But not supporting a genocide…

    And they can still violently attack people?

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      7 days ago

      Most ultra-orthodox Jews are actually anti-zionists. It’s not uncommon to see them joining pro-palestine peace protests.

      Within Israel they are a minority, and their broadly anti-war stance combined with their dependence on the state for financial support (most of the men are unemployed) have made them quite unpopular in the eyes of the general population.

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        7 days ago

        I’m confused…

        Are they a politically powerful group like the Associated Press says?

        Or a small minority with no political power like a random social media account just told me?

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          6 days ago

          The vast majority of Hareidi Jews are Zionist. There are small groups totalling a few thousand who are Anti Zionist but live in Israel.

          The Ultra Orthodox majority not only supports the state, but are represented by religious parties in the current government under Netanyahu.

          Edit: Survey data shown below shows that although Hareidi Jews in Israel participate in the government, are represented by designated parties, and those parties are members of the current government under Netanyahu, the majority of those same people consider themselves either “not too” Zionist or “not at all” Zionist.

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            7 days ago

            The vast majority of Hareidi Jews are Zionist.

            According to a recent survey, less than half of Haredi Jews outside of Israel identify as Zionists, post October 7th.

            In 2016, the percentage of Israeli Haredim who identified as Zionist was just 33%.

            Do you have any recent figures for within Israel itself that confirms a “vast majority”?

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              7 days ago

              I mean extremely few “Trump’ers” in the US would tell you they are racists, but almost all are…