• n2burns@lemmy.ca
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      3 months ago

      That doesn’t exist anywhere…and I frankly don’t think it ever will.

      EDIT What’s with the downvotes? Does anyone want to refute this?

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        3 months ago

        Logically the refutation is kind of easy. Your prediction hinges on two things. A predicate that technology will never get better or cheaper.

        Both of those things happen all the time as such, the refutation is simple.

        Points to our entire technological history

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          3 months ago

          Vehicles aren’t just one technology though, they are commodity items. Cellphones are more expensive than a decade ago, so are laptops. The average ICE car has gotten much more expensive over time. So, do you think EV technologies will get significantly cheaper quicker than inflation and the general direction of the industry?

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            3 months ago

            The example of the mobile phone is pretty wrong. The first mobile cost about $4000 and the cheapest today still costs around $25. The original cars cost 30k adjusted for inflation with the cheapest today costing around 15.

            Once again. It’s always held true. Outside factors could make it take longer but ultimately you said never. Which basically makes your original statement near impossible.

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              3 months ago

              The first mobile cost about $4000

              I said a decade ago, not the very first. I also should have said “smartphone”. Powering cars by battery isn’t a brand new technology.

              The original cars cost 30k adjusted for inflation with the cheapest today costing around 15.

              I was responding to a meme that said $15K, not $15K (inflation adjusted).

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            3 months ago

            The Chinese government is subsidising the car industry to outcompete and destroy other manufacturers. These cars are being sold for less than they’re worth. This is why the EU is banning them. Its the same thing when you in wish and order something for 3 dollars. The Chinese government subsisdises the postage in China and international law means your post has to deliver it in your country.

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        3 months ago

        BYD and CATL have announced that battery prices will be halved again by next year.

        They’re really ramping up and it will continue.

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          I don’t doubt that batteries will continue to get better and better, and cheaper and cheaper. However, there are almost no new vehicles PERIOD that are sold in the US for $15K. Maybe we’ll see EVs for $15K, but they certainly won’t have a 350mi range. By the time cheap EVs have that range, cheap cars won’t be sold for $15K due to inflation.

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            3 months ago

            Electric vehicles are expected to be cheaper than ICE cars.

            There has been a lot more money and time spend in developing ICE cars.

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              Electric vehicles are expected to be cheaper than ICE cars.

              I completely agree, especially if people can get away from the BS “I need 350mi of range.” Better charging will hopefully help with this.

              I just don’t see the price coming down fast enough for a 350mi range EV to be sold for $15,000 vs inflation. At 2% inflation, $15K in 10 years is $12,305.22 today, in $15K in 5 years is $13,585.96 today.

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                Most people don’t need that type of range anyways. Farther than either of my ice cars go on a tank (unless im doing only highway driving) and I fill a car once a month.

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                  3 months ago

                  100% agree! I’m wondering if I should have clarified in my original comment that $15K EVs might be possible without ridiculous subsidies, but they aren’t going to have a 350mi range.

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                    To be fair and honest I could possibly touch 350 if I wasn’t running E85 and being a very very good boy. But still a ridiculous goalpost.

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          And what’s the range on that? Spoiler: It’s 190 mi base with a max 252 mi. That’s nowhere near 350mi!

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            3 months ago

            Okay thanks. That meme sure is inaccurate isn’t it. I’ll go have a word with the meme council and try to get that straightened out.

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                3 months ago

                Fine here

                You good? All of your pressing concerns addressed? Everything to your meme satisfaction? Need some more documentation? Can we let the service workers go home now?

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                  3 months ago

                  Well, since you asked:

                  • The base range is 187mi. You’re going to need to spend more if you want the 252mi range.
                  • That’s the price in China. It costs thousands of dollars to move a vehicle halfway across the world. There’s a reason the price is Australia and Europe is significantly higher!
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        You provide no proof of the facts you state, therefore it’s just as easy for me to say you’re wrong as it is to believe you. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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        Downvotes are due to China shills and people who don’t understand reality. EVERY post about Chinese EVs goes exactly the same way.

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          You’re just hunkering down inside your bubble, while offering nothing to the conversation.

          There’s a BYD stand close to where I work, I was looking at a “Dolphin” that has around 500 miles of range and costs 30k€.

          That’s still twice as what’s in the meme, but they keep getting closer.

          If you have some sort of grudge against China automakers, Dacia has its Spring. It costs about what’s in the meme, but with half the range though.

          It’s not hard to see a future where 350 miles for 15k is a reality, but the market needs competition.