President Biden vowed on Monday to veto a House Republican bill that would provide $17.6 billion in aid to Israel, calling it a “cynical political maneuver” intended to hurt the chances of passage for broader legislation that would provide money for Israel, Ukraine, Taiwan and the U.S. border.

House Republicans fiercely oppose the larger bill, which was unveiled by a small, bipartisan group of senators over the weekend. It calls for $118.3 billion in spending and would overhaul some of the nation’s immigration laws to deal with recent surges of migrants at the southern border.

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  • thantik@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    This is so stupid. NYTimes putting the phrase “to deal with recent surges of migrants at the southern border”…there IS no surge of migrants. They’re pushing bullshit in a passive way to make it sound legitimate.

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      9 months ago

      Let’s see what the source says:

      https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters

      There were 50k more border encounters (illegal apprehensions) in December than the year before. In fact, encounters have been significantly higher than recent years since August (no data for January).

      You can agree or disagree with the response to the influx of people at the border. But there is no denying there has been a considerable increase in traffic.

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        Except we’ve heard this (the surge point) every year for the past several election seasons and at other times. Someone didn’t learn the lesson of the boy who cried wolf. Tough to get people to listen when it’s actually happening if you bullshit them at other times.

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          If you think this is BS, then bring numbers and facts. This surge, at the moment, is real. Check OP’s link.

          It’s real. It’s happening. FFS, put politics aside, this is a humanitarian issue. And how are we to absorb so many extra immigrants this year?

          Conservatives are bitching about jobs. Liberals are bitching about housing costs. Both concerns are wildly complex, but we have an issue right now, today.

          Check my earlier comments and numbers. How do you propose to deal with an extra CHICAGO+ worth of humans? How fast can we build infrastructure and housing? I will point out, we’re only talking about illegal Southern border crossings, leaving out the rest of the immigration story. FFS, my wife is an immigrant. We’re trying to get her son over here.

          I don’t have ideas, no ideas we can deploy fast enough, I ain’t that smart. But just because conservatives are pitching a fit doesn’t mean our current border crossings are not an issue.

          We’re talking about live human beings here. Waving them off as a GOP conspiracy is ignorant at best, hurting people. Want to go to the border and tell those people they’re not real? Tell them they’re GOP pawns? Or, someone will come along and tell me they don’t believe government numbers they don’t agree with. Like the nuts did with COVID and the CDC?

          • PopcornTin@lemmy.world
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            It’s real. It’s happening. FFS, put politics aside, this is a humanitarian issue. And how are we to absorb so many extra immigrants this year?

            Easy, just don’t look. Then I don’t have to believe it exists.

            It’s like the old sanctuary cities. Politicians pontificating that “all are welcome,” and “no human is illegal,” until their city actually gets too many of them. Then it’s, “whoa there, they should stay in Texas, not come here!”

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          I don’t disagree one bit. The Border™ gets trotted out more than it ought to every couple years. That’s probably why this issue will never be fixed–it’s great at riling people up.

          However, I think people should still be aware of the facts of the situation. At least if they actually care about the problem. Misinformation doesn’t fix anything.

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            I also need to point out that you are sharing a .gov link and treating it like the bible.

            I find .gov citations to be some of the least reliable sources of information on the internet.

            America is OBSESSED with propaganda.

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              This right here confuses me. The people claiming that government numbers can’t be trusted are the same people who regularly rolled out government covid death numbers are the gospel truth during covid. My personal belief is that those numbers were wildly overblown, so I’m willing to believe that in this case you might be right and the migrant numbers are also overblown. That being said you can’t have it both ways. We’re the covid death numbers false?

              • Melkath@kbin.social
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                9 months ago

                Brother, you caught a real one.

                I am very confused.

                I try to live my life mathematically. I cite sources that claim firm numbers frequently.

                We are in a fucky time.

                Everyone has the ability to capture unimpeachable figures, but everyone with a grasp on the raw data has a dude an inch over their shoulder saying “100 bucks if you fudge it.”

                We got strong in tech and the first thing we did as a digital world was fire the QA people and the auditors.

                Seems like a great way to faceplant the gift of computers.

                But what can you do?