• SplitTheUSInFour@lemmy.world
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    Ok. I’ll read a book instead. I haven’t turned my ps5 on in a year. Corpo execs have a mentality problem in that they’ve worthless leeches of people with addictions. I’ll just sell it and probably make all my money back because I have the discs with an overpriced system that continues to go up even though it was released years ago.

    I’m a much happier person today. You don’t need these things anymore. Now is the time for humanity to return to common and basic activities. It will help us come back together and solve a lot of our social problems.

    They’re doing us all a huge favor by pricing everything out and stealing what little we can afford. Face the music. They’re telling you the thing you paid for is theirs and not yours. It’s time to move on.

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    Sony doesn’t even make anything if merit anymore.

    They stopped making televisions, the only thing of note are headphones which have decent profit margins but that market is so crowded their still not a top 3 player.

    These dipshits are playing Russian Roulette with their company by trying to strip consumers of their ownership.

    They’re literally staking their company’s survival on the idea that they can do this without their consumers simply walking away.

    Don’t let them.

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      Haven’t turned on my PS5 in a year. I’m not some revolutionary. I’m a person who quits a rigged game and I know bullshit when I see it. I don’t argue with myself or sulk. I quit immediately and find something that I’ll enjoy. No one is enjoying their PS5 the way they enjoyed gaming systems in the past.

      Getting a system meant something. Now, it’s like a poor financial decision. The hardware is iffy at best and you know you have to hit a wall of subscription requests, ads, filling out forms, giving up personal information…and it never used to be like this. We’d rip open the box, slam a game in, and start playing as a group in the family room.

      It’s not the same experience anymore. It hinges on addiction. What was once fun is now a dead social experiment. Look at gaming today vs the 80s and 90s. Depression and online gaming go hand in hand. I never gamed back then because I was depressed. It was fun and we partied over Goldeneye. What we’re experiencing today is harmful to people.

      There’s definitely more to this story than we’re all privy to.

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      People should feel that others look at them dimly for giving money to sony, any personal boycott is just personal decision that affects only your own life.

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    Absolutely true. If there wouldn’t be a lot of cases where Sony just deleted the digital versions someone paid to own, and that I am unable to trade what I own with someone else, I wouldn’t mind a digital-only ecosystem at all.

    But it is not a mentality issue. It is a pretty conscious decision to protect your own rights.

  • oni ᓚᘏᗢ@lemmy.world
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    Again, we know that we don’t own Crash Bandicot, the IP, but, we wanna own a copy of a game that features Crash Bandicot.

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          Digital book markets are why I will never fully switch from physical books. I prefer to own my shit and give it away if I want, can’t do that with an ebook or a downloaded game.

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            You can very easily do that with ebooks.

            Source: I run a Calibre-Web server for myself, my family, and my friends. All of my books are 100% DRM-free, and my devices sync directly to the server so I can download them natively just like if I had purchased them from the ereader’s official store.

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                Or literally sending the 1MB file over some chat app And then dragging the file into the e-reader Easier than meeting in person

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                  I don’t even meet in person, I just drop a box of books off at my library or thrift store. That’s typically where I buy/borrow my books from, so it’s not out of the way. Unless it’s one I think a friend would like, then I save it for the next hangout.

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                Typical fediverse user in that sense. It’s not exactly surprising, a self hostable social media does seem to have a lot of people who believe self hosting things is trivial.

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                  Yeah, it’s not the first time I’ve received a reply like that, but that was a thousand times better than the last one.

                  Last time it was my comment on why I hadn’t made the switch to Linux, I couldn’t get wow to work so I went back to windows (I know, windows bad). I get a reply basically calling me an idiot and saying even his tech illiterate mother got it working on Linux, like I didn’t spend a full day trying.

                  But yeah, this person was significantly more respectful and I appreciated their response. Carl seems like good people.

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                Well you don’t have to host it, theres also just a desktop program where you drop your files.

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              Thanks, unfortunately, I don’t know how to set up a web server to do that. But I do have my local library, which I go to at least once a week, they have Blu-ray Discs too. I also prefer to donate the books I buy because it makes me feel like my money gets more value if someone else enjoys it.

              I am glad that technology exists though!

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            I just strip DRM the second I download the ebook using calibre. Sharing becomes as trivial as attaching to a message.

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              I don’t know how to do that. Liked I’m glad the tech exists, but I don’t have the motivation to learn how to do that or start a server, I just want to read 😅 I just go to the library or one of the many independent bookstores close to me.

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        I think SpiceDAO struggled with this, but that’s not “a soul” lol. They bought some rare Dune book or something thinking it gave them rights to it? I don’t remember the specifics.

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          Pointing to a group of plainly delusional idiots is technically a counterexample.

          See also those crypto-dolts who (IIRC) made a knockoff of Magic The Gathering: Online and dismissed legal threats by figuring they’d make so much money they could just buy Wizards Of The Coast.

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        Not true, I’m sure they are working on making it all digital and just letting us rent them. Nothing is sacred. Who is going to stop them?

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      No one is trying to claim they own the IP, and no one is claiming they own the source code to the game either.

      That seems to be the way all these fucking companies try to frame things to justify telling you to pay them and then fuck off. They’re trying to justify having you pay them for nothing, and then enforce it legally.

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    They actually have a point. People are pissed that they don’t own their games anymore. So guarantee ownership. Give us recourse when servers shut down. Let us trade, sell, borrow second hand games. Let us play games without an account. We should be free to do with a game whatever we want

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      They are really asking for it.

      I think GTA, and this most anticipated release of a game in perhaps ever, really fucked up in screwing over their union right before the release, (last I heard, in passing,) and are similarly just asking to be pirated.

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    I understand that physical discs have become a metaphor for ‘owning’ games. I really understand that mentality…

    Yeah, the fact that you call it a “metaphor” proves you don’t understand it at all.

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      It really is an us vs them thing now. There’s zero respect given to the consumer. They believe all people are their addicts who will always push the button to receive their food pellet.

      My PS5 hasn’t been turned on for a year. Others will catch on. Reading books has taken over because they’ve become a better experience than turning on a corporate product.

      We just need to be honest with ourselves and say no more to corporate products. The video games, the crappy food, bad drive thru coffee, electronics that are all junk, and even our news and information is comes from the same types of places. All of it is crap. Worthless crap and we’ve been spending our lives consumed in it.

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      It’s a metaphor in the sense that if they didn’t get rid of physical disks, they would still be putting games on them that don’t work without an internet connection and cannot be resold.

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      It became a metaphor back around when they released Empire, Total War, (edit: 2012 ish maybe,) and the disk meant nothing and just sent you to Steam to download it, forcing you to keep steam on your computer that tried to run at all times, and make you ask for permission every time you wanted to play the game, revocable at any moment I presume.

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    So, Ken, got any jiggalicious PH neutral seven spice aubergine conditioner to go with your foul snake oil opinions?

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    It’s true tho, we never owned games, music, or movies on physical media either. We owned the revokable rights to view/use that copy of the media for private usage.

    Every teacher that showed a movie in class broke a federal law.

    It was just one of those things that was unenforceable and no one understood.

    It doesn’t mean we should accept not owning media, it just means we have zero chance of fixing it if we never understand it. A purchase should be lifetime usage, regardless of media. What you’re buying is a license to view/use it, method doesn’t matter.

    Like how some people back in the day would only download a movie if they owned the DVD. That should be legal.

    But trying to explain that never goes well

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      Naw man, that’s just what they want you to believe because it benefits them.

      We’ve de facto owned copies of whatever was purchased until the Internet changed the way ownership functions.

      Laws are written by people. Traditionally, greedy people.

      I think everyone understands just fine, we just won’t be able to change that until the people who write laws are changed.

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        No, that’s literally how software/media has always worked…

        If you “own” code, then you can copy, distribute, and profit off of it 100% legally.

        That’s why software/media you “buy” is a license for personal use.

        That’s the entire point of the issue…

        Did you think Blockbuster or any other rental store could buy a copy from Walmart and rent it out? Those were different licenses and the rental stores paid a shit ton more for their copies to be able to rent them.

        Because it’s never been about the physical media, but the license attached to it that determines fair usage

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          You misunderstand me.

          It hasn’t always worked the way it does today. I know you buy a “license”. But when you bought that cd rom or floppy or dvd or whatever physical media, you didn’t have to do anything else to make it work. That copy ALWAYS worked, and you could sell it when you no longer needed it. Or you could let your friend borrow it.

          “Fair usage” doesn’t really work the way it used to.

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            That is not what “fair use” means in the context of copyright.

            Also most of those licenses were non-transferable which means it was illegal to sell those games secondhand. But again it was unenforceable.

            What you are talking about is DRM.

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              I think you are also missing my point.

              I’m not talking about what the law is/was.

              Also, I put “Fair usage” in quotes for a reason.

              My point is that those producing media should not be able to sell you something that you are not allowed to control to some extent, and use at your disposal.

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          Did you think Blockbuster or any other rental store could buy a copy from Walmart and rent it out?

          YES! That’s how it fucking worked! For the exact same reason libraries can just buy a book, and then lend it out, because they fucking own it. That’s what the money was for!

          Rental chains only developed contractual relationships with movie studios because it’s otherwise kind of difficult to buy five thousand copies of one tape. Studios sued, and lost, and came back with a truce.

          The first sale doctrine is over a century old. Every medium has tried insisting it’s special, and been slapped down as just another product. Software has been long awaiting that slap. Their excuses aren’t anything new. Your rights have not changed.

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          Straight up wrong. There’s an exception to copyright for educational purposes for starters, so you’re really being a dipshit eating your foot more than you are correct.