The 0.18 version of Lemmy was announced. This will solve many issues.
But we can’t upgrade yet because the captcha was removed, and captcha relied on Websockets, which are removed in 0.18 so despite the devs agreeing on my request to add captcha back, this will not be until 0.18.1. Without captcha we will be overrun by bots.
Hopefully this 0.18.1 will be released soon, because another issue is that the newest version of the Jerboa app won’t work with servers older than 0.18. So if you’re on Lemmy.world, please (temporarily) use another app or the web version.
The Dev’s stubbornness about captchas is a little baffling. Yes, they’re not 100% foolproof but they help.
It’s like arguing that we shouldn’t have locks on or our doors because a skilled lock picker can get past them.
They agreed to add them back. You can read their comments in OPs link
That only happened recently, though. For weeks they were replying to instance admins requests to reinstate captchas with things like “bots have beaten captchas, so they’re useless.”
What are you talking about? The issue to bring back captchas was only opened
4 days ago!Captchas were only removed 2 weeks ago, no one spoke up then: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2922
The developers have nothing against captchas. They were the ones who originally built and added the feature: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/1027
My mistake, I understood admins had been asking for the return of captchas as soon as they were removed.
Still, it took a few days for the devs to agree to reinstate them, which, combined with the general tone seem in that second link, is what gave me the impression that they were reluctant to do so.
My very first post on Lemmy was a (admittedly out-of-date) rant about the devs stubbornness about the hardcoded bad words filter and their behavior in the relevant GitHub issues. And I had people jumping in the comments defending them, telling me that it was fixed years ago, they’re better now, surely that couldn’t possibly happen again.
I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise.
ETA: and yeah, I know about kbin, I’ve tried both, kinda waiting to see all the new Android native apps before completely moving over there. Seeing how all this shakes out.
Appreciate you waiting for the 18.1 upgrade
Damn, that sucks. Is manual approving + email not enough for the time being?
EDIT: I see that in the GitHub issue you linked you answer this question. TLDR: No, it is not enough it seems.
manual approving
this won’t scale, captchas are a low-hanging fruit that should have never been removed
I understand. It would only be until captchas are back in the release (i.e. 0.18.1). I only suggested this because 0.18 fixed some nasty annoyances.
They were removed because they don’t work with the new system, not because someone felt like removing it. If someone volunteers to add them back, they’ll be back
What I mean is why couldn’t they postpone the 0.18.0 release then?
Because it addresses a number of critical bugs. Why is nobody in this thread reading the update announcement? They explain themselves well there.
@ruud@lemmy.world maybe link to it in this post as it’d probably clear up a lot of confusion.
The first link in my post is to the release blog.
Ouch. I understand exactly how things like that happen, but it is unfortunate. Hope it’s resolved quickly.
There is a tremendous amount of pressure on everyone in the development/admin chain right now because of the insane influx of new users. (I’m one of them.) It amazes me how well everyone has been handling it. And I am grateful to all of you!
Thanks for keeping the bots out! I’m still successfully using Jerboa, btw.
you’re probably not using the latest version from the GitHub repo then
I am. It gives me the warning and crashes a lot, but it works a little.
It crashes far too much without 0.18 for me; resorted to using the web view.
Thanks. I installed Jerboa yesterday and it was not working. Glad to know this may be the cause. I can wait for 0.18.1 for mobile access
You can install 0.0.34 off github in the meantime: https://github.com/dessalines/jerboa/releases
Thank you for the info and keeping on top of this :) have a nice weekend
If you are logged in you can just update Jerboa to v0.0.35 and you’ll get a message saying that the app works better with Lemmy v0.18 but it still works.
If you are not logged in, then use Jerboa v0.0.34 to log in and then update to v0.0.35
How about temporarily disabling sign ups until 0.18.1? As more apps update to 0.18 it’ll be annoying to juggle versions.
Anything stopping new members from signing up is going to hurt the adoption of the platform as a whole.
There are still many other instances that accept signups, so I don’t think temporally disabling lemmy.world signup will hurt lemmy.
However, having a popular client incompatible with a popular instance will annoy existing and new users of lemmy.world.
The release candidates for 0.18 were published at an almost daily basis. I think it’s fair to assume .1 won’t take forever.
Ok so guys, I appreciate the devs of Jerboa for doing what they do, but I am absolutely switching to another app immediately when something else decent shows up.
How does it compare to wefwef.app ? I’ve been using it a couple of days and it’s been pretty sweet so far. Found it on r/apolloapp.
I just checked this out. Until a better native app is created, I feel like this is by far the best choice for using the site on mobile. Good find 👍
I’m trying them all. As of today, Connect for Lemmy seems to be working the best
Connect for Lemmy is the best thus far.
Has the websocket api been removed from Lemmy with this update?
Yes
beehaw only seems to support 0.17.4 rn
Here is a link to the current state of captcha re-implementation: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/3289
This request was reopened after it was merged prematurely. You can read the preceding discussion here: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/3249
Lemmy Devs have agreed to add it back, so I dont thing it will be long.
Omg I was just getting on track developing my own Lemmy app based on websockets and now they are being removed… welp
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If you download Jerboa from F-droid instead of play store you can reinstall the previous versions.
It won’t work if you’re registered on lemmy.world, no matter which version of Jerboa you install
I’m confused, I’m literally on jerboa right now. When is this supposed to break?
