• Blapoo@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    85
    arrow-down
    57
    ·
    11 months ago

    Think about taxing the rich? THAT’S SOCIALISM

    Ponder if an apartheid state is doing a genocide? ANTISEMITISM

    Don’t like the new Marvel movie? SEXIST! RACIST!

    Freedom of speech died long ago and now there is no flow of ideas, even incrementally. We’re in big trouble

    • dangblingus@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      58
      arrow-down
      6
      ·
      11 months ago

      Not liking the new Marvel movie is fine. Making it about race or sex is what makes you a racist for not liking the new Marvel movie. This thread apparently thinks those people don’t exist lol

      • MotoAsh@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        21
        arrow-down
        5
        ·
        11 months ago

        Eh, while it’s not as common as other political psychosis, I have directly been told, “you just don’t like strong women.” to my face, for saying I didn’t like how they utterly failed to develop Rey as a character in the new Star Wars trilogy and the movies suck over all.

        Apparently wanting good, cohesive writing where main characters actually have lessons to learn and growth to do makes me a sexist to them, all because I can point to Luke, a guy, failing a bunch?

        Some people really DO need to “touch grass”.

          • MotoAsh@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            4
            arrow-down
            4
            ·
            11 months ago

            In my case, this was literally in person to my face from a coworker with little media analysis skill. I never even made unclear statements beyond, “I don’t like Rey”, with further explanation about how her character development is highly lacking. Not the actress or anything like that, even.

            Don’t be the equivalently stupid person on the other side of the coin, constantly refusing to admit that those internet weirdos are actual people in the real world somewhere.

        • KevonLooney@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          8
          ·
          11 months ago

          I have directly been told lots of nutty things. Just yesterday someone told me that my nickname in a video game was affecting my lag. That doesn’t make any sense.

          Why does this bother you unless you actually have an issue with women? The fact that you’re complaining about it indicates that it is meaningful to you.

          • MotoAsh@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            8
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            edit-2
            11 months ago

            Being misunderstood, even by dumbasses, is meaningful to me.

            I value competent communication, and voluntarily misconstruing someone is peak failure to listen.

        • killeronthecorner@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          43
          arrow-down
          12
          ·
          11 months ago

          Yeah, and it was also a dog whistle to conservatives to feel under represented and “oppressed” by the presence of a non white person as a superhero.

          The people you’re talking about can easily clarify it by saying “I don’t like it, but I’m happy to see more women and people of color in these roles”. Bish bash bosh, not a racist.

            • dangblingus@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              14
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              11 months ago

              Okay, but that was you. There were thousands more broskis online that hated it simply because it reminded them that minorities exist.

              • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                12
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                11 months ago

                Sure. But you can tell what they are because they say things like “the agenda” and “forced diversity,” or spend time getting mad that a Marvel series had the nerve to be made for young people.

            • oatscoop@midwest.social
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              10
              ·
              11 months ago

              I didn’t go see it because I’m burnt out on Marvel movie seemingly made MadLibs style with the same 3 predictable plots and a word bank of characters and settings.

                  • David_Eight@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    4
                    ·
                    edit-2
                    11 months ago

                    What? How do you have a conversation with people without explaining your thoughts? In my head your conversations go like this lol

                    Person: Hey Ilovethebomb, you see the new marvel movie.

                    You: Yeah, I didn’t like it.

                    Person: Really, why not?

                    You: I don’t need a reason why.

                    So again, is that really how you talk to people. It can’t be right?

        • dangblingus@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          23
          arrow-down
          5
          ·
          11 months ago

          Well, yeah. Both Captain Marvel and Ms. Marvel were met with extreme vitriol from people who would rather not see a woman in their super hero universe. Should we expect those people to have gone through a maturation process in the last 4 years?

          • ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            7
            arrow-down
            4
            ·
            11 months ago

            The problem comes when you dislike these not because there was a female lead but because the writing was shit.

            But because woman lead men sexist for no like.

            Though tbf it really comes down to most writers not knowing how to write female leads.

            • rchive@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              3
              ·
              11 months ago

              It’s a bigger problem that barely has to do with the specific shows or movies. Marvel Studios has mostly been coasting since Endgame. It also didn’t prioritize female led properties, so they’re all coming out in this coasting period. This means they might be on average not as good. It’s not directly because they’re female led, but it is sort of indirectly because of that.

          • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            edit-2
            11 months ago

            This comes off as you being one of the people who rejects criticism

            This isn’t a discussion of the media, it’s about people rejecting criticism

          • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            4
            ·
            11 months ago

            The issue is when it’s used to silence criticism about the many other issues with the film.

      • Blapoo@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        8
        ·
        edit-2
        11 months ago

        clutches chest He got me! I am the sexist racist! Give me my sign /s

        And my point is proven in realtime

    • Unaware7013@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      38
      ·
      11 months ago

      Freedom of speech died long ago

      Lol, free speech isn’t dead just because people criticize your opinions. You’re not being silenced because people argue with you, and no one is arresting you for your opinions. Climb down off your cross.

    • quackers@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      11 months ago

      We still have freedom of speech, for now. While the brainlets on twitter and other social media censor eachother, we can still say and think whatever we want. Its just that people are pushed by it into one of several dumbass corners that many ideas appear lost. Luckily, platforms like lemmy emerge to hopefully counter some of that effect.

      • Krauerking@lemy.lol
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        11 months ago

        No see i think there is a problem with Lemmy. Its not seeking to be a new space that fills a need and slowly expand. Its already trying to be a clone of something else. Hoarders came in and moved in all their junk and now its to full of crap to see or move around in. And the forced identity effect is still happening cause it was built upon a communist graveyard and we are haunted by ghosts of people saying the only way forward is still back.

        • quackers@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          11 months ago

          yeah but having a less restricted space is ideal for exploring fresh ideas. if you have a platform trying to do specifically that, i think you also end up with extremism. Im not saying lemmy is the perfect platform, but the decentralized nature of it is potentially a way to a more free platform. Mainly because advertisers dont get to fuck it up.