transcript
A picture of the Ben Affleck Smoking meme, with the caption “Me seeing people on reddit telling other people to go to lemmy.world”
You must log in or register to comment.
.world as far as I can tell, is a fairly good starting point for reddit refugees (like myself). I’m still annoyed by the lack of multis, so in order to keep my interests organized I have to have multiple accounts, but I’m otherwise fairly happy with it. Might migrate to another instance purely to get away from the .world vs .ml drama, and I’d encourage other reddit refugees to also migrate instances after becoming familiar with how lemmy works.
“Lemmy is great, you can choose whatever instance you want! But fuck you if you choose that one.”
No, don’t recommend that one. I don’t care if you’re on LW, its just not a great idea to recommend it to newcomers.
Can’t I change instances if I want? Seems like having a landing zone would be a good thing. Picking a server to join for your initial setup is really confusing for the less tech inclined. That on-boarding process bounces tons of users and making it simpler up front would be best for growth.
This is all moot if you can’t change the server your account is on and my b if I’m wrong on that one.
You can sign up for a new account, but you’ll lose your preferences and such, there’s no migration feature I don’t think yet.
Well when .ee defederates from the tankies they can join the adult community
I was forced to go to Lemmy after the post-inauguration bloodbath, but Ive liked it a lot, more than Reddit in many ways. I was getting really tired of the bots, puns, Russian Propganda, novelty accounts, TROLLS, etc.
OTOH, I feel like I can speak much more freely on Lemmy. Even before I got permabanned, Reddits Free Speech mission had become non-existent.
The downside of Lemmy is that some of my favorite subs don’t have an equivalent on Lemmy. For instance, the Reddit guitar subs are very active, but the few Lemmy guitar forums are nearly empty, with posts that are days, weeks, months, and even years, apart. I tried Googling “Lemmy Guitar” for ideas, and literally every link was about Motorhead.
So I welcome more quality Reddit immigrants, as long as all the Trolls stay over there.
some comms you’re gonna need to build
Help build the guitar community, tell the people on reddit to come here instead. I will do the same.
I can’t, I’m permabanned. I tried getting around it several times, with new account names, but each one lasted a shorter and shorter time, as the algorithm honed in on me. My first alt lasted a few weeks, my last one was caught within an hour.
I do like the idea of building the Guitar community here at Lemmy, I’m just not familiar enough with the system to know how to do that. Do we start a new forum, or take over an existing one? Do we have just one and put EVERYTHING in there, or do we split it up between various subjects - general, lessons, performances, gear, amps, etc.?
How’d you manage to get banned?
I repeated an opinion that I’d made made times in the past without even a warning. The first time after the Inauguration, and I was permabanned, despite being a 12 year member with over 900K in karma.
I came to Lemmy, and discovered a lot of recently exiled Reddit vets with high volume posting accounts that were 10+ years old. We were the people that built Reddit over the last decade, with thousands of posts without getting banned, and suddenly ALL of us managed to say something bad enough in the same month to get permabanned.
It turned out February was a bloodbath, and an unknowm number of people were ejected, probably in the thousands. Recently we found out that Musk had been pressuring Spez, and obviously Spez capitulated, like so many other cowardly CEOs, abandoning their core Free Speech mission (which was becoming increasingly compromised anyway).
I’m still lurking over there, but the problems they were habing with puns, bots, TROLLS, Russian propaganda farmers, etc. have only gotten worse.
So now I’m at Lemmy, with a lot of other active ex-Redditors. It looks a lot like Reddit looked 12 years ago, when I started over there. I’ve seen many of the original posts that have become Reddit lore, and I’ll miss what we built, but it’s best days are definitely behind it. Now, we’ll help energize Lemmy, and grow it into its own cultural powerhouse.
For me, that includes building an active, enthusiastic, supportive, POSITIVE guitar community here.
Lmao your case sounds very similar to me except I haven’t been banned, but apparently mostly because I just lurk most of the time because reddit sucks more and more every day. The last straw was them getting rid of messages and not giving a good old.reddit alternative which made me realize they’re going to kill old reddit soon, and I refuse to use their shitty new UI. I’ve been on there for like 13 years and I feel like it’s gotten way worse way faster in the past year than it has in a long time.
I wasn’t just a lurker, I was extremely active, with over 900K in karma. I was going to try to break 1 million this year. Not only that, I was a fairly radical activist, and was rabidly anti-MAGA. Reddit has capitulated to MAGA, so now Im a political enemy.
This
Thank you for the gold kind stranger
Boop
Heckin
General NPC replies
First post on Lemmy! and oh my word… never seen such an eclectic mix of flavours of people, positions and politics in a long time.
This decentralised thing could actually be a good thing: pulls people away from bubbles and echo chambers!
Just remember to play nice :)
Welcome!
Welcome!
i said it before but lemmy hates new users
I don’t hate new users. Just, please recommend another instance to newcomers.
lemmy.world does not allow the use of vpn to post. vpn is basic internet hygiene. do not go to lemmy.world if you care about that, our you will not be able to post.
you can join any federated instance instead.
lemmy.world does not allow the use of vpn to post.
That is definitely not true. I’m using one right now, and there is a VPN community at !vpn@lemmy.world.
vpn is basic internet hygiene
according to vpn companies
9 out 10 VPN companies recommend hiding your IP address.
What do you want them to do? Select an instance at random, to spread them out?
Yeah, this is just stupid. I wish a significant amount of redditors would go to lemmy.world
I mean, what do you want to tell them to join? Something called “mander.xyz”? “sopuli.xyz”? Maybe something like sh.itjust.works, jlai.lu or yall.theatl.social? I’d feel awkward enough telling them to join “Lemmy” then linking to lemm.ee. Sending them to lemmy.ml would just be cruel.
I picked lemmy.world because it sounded the least sus
Yeah. Looking at the 'verse The other ones are for developers, Canadians, Pro-AI, Canadians again, NSFW, programming, gender diversity, techy people, Finland!, PCs/Gaming, Climate criss, Leftist (but not Liberal).
Like there’s not instances for the rest of us, so you just end up going to the General ones.
As many others did, and many others will in the future.
Referring new users to a poorly named instance is a generally bad idea. Many of our instances do look very similar to the nonsense links you’re taught you’re not supposed to not click on if you get them in an email or see them on the internet in the wild.
It is the most popular and easy to understand, I’ve never been harassed by the instance admins or mods like in other communities. (.ml .blahaj .ee)
.world is the defalt instance and I can’t find a better one to take its place
lemmy.ca is alright.
And I’m not saying the other instances shouldn’t be like they are with their weird, esoteric names. But I am saying they’re generally a poor introduction.
Personally, after having spent some time on lemmy, while I like lemm.ee I feel like I could be fine to move to mander.xyz or sh.itjust.works. If I was on lemmy.world and not lemm.ee, I might’ve done it. But I’d have to start fresh, I wouldn’t be able to move my user there. And personally, I get kind of attached to my account. I don’t really like making a new one and leaving the old one. I wouldn’t like to keep logging into two different accounts, either.
I feel like if it were feasible, it could potentially be very good to allow users to just press a “Move user to another instance” button. Might be a terrible idea, but hear me out.
The function being, I guess, to either fully move its data to another instance with their full history. Or alternatively, to effectively just remake the account with the same login besides instance, and keeping access to their user’s “legacy” history accessible from the old instance within the profile. Maybe with legacy history as a separate thing if necessary, ideally it would be displayed in the same list as native history but with a marker or something. Either solution sounds potentially messy, but maybe it could be done elegantly. I would guess the latter with the new account linking to the old account would be better, not messing with where the old comments and posts and messages and votes are stored. Maybe it could effectively be generated as just a simple separate text file to refer to, to link to the legacy part of the profile’s history from the other instance. Not sure about any of that. Maybe it would make sense to just allow one move per year.
Either way, if this could work well, it could make many users much more willing to switch to one of the smaller instances after initially joining lemmy.world. Especially if lemmy.world does something many users don’t like.
I know I’d personally prefer this kind of solution if lemm.ee were to turn into an extremist trekkie instance that started mandating “Live long and prosper, to all except Lucasfilms.” at the end of every post and top level comment. I’d want to bring my profile and history and block lists and whatever over.
Can we recommend another generic instance? .world has a few problems plaguing it right now.
You’re on one of them already, IMO
The other one I have in mind is mine. Lemmy.zip even DM a starter guide after sign up.
I registered with blahaj first but I couldn’t. Log in after a couple of months and never found a solution.
I came to Lemmy on my own but felt forced I to .World.
There are other generalist or niche instances beyond .world
Removed by mod
Oh hey, it’s the person that conflates Communism with fascism and accuses everyone of being a bot, a sockpuppet, and/or a fascist. Again, I recommend you read Blackshirts and Reds.
a generic instance is what most users need to actually make the move, if they like it or understand it better later they might choose a different insurance later, if not who cares they can still interact with others.
The cold truth is that to onboard people in greater numbers you need a default instance recommendation. You just do. You absolutely cannot ask potential new users (many of which will - hopefully - be casual and not so tech savvy) to sit down and undertake a multi hour research project into finding an appropriate small instance for them. You cannot reasonably expect people to look into uptime, funding and defederation lists to make an informed decision about where to register. You just need them through the door and posting and commenting and voting.
Making a new account somewhere else is super easy and painless once they’re already here. We just need to get them here.
I agree as I am one such case. I created an account like a year and a half ago and got so overwhelmed with it I just ignored it. Even the explainer I found was just too much. Finally a couple weeks ago I remembered it given all the Reddit is compromised stuff. I found my login info. I also happened to have had a gummy so I was in the right high mindset to just go down a rabbithole and finally figured it out. I still don’t really understand how Lemmy interacts with like Mastodon or Pixelfed etc.
Just tell them to go to your favourite instance. Easy.
Removed by mod
It’s too bad there isn’t a way to just have one location for everyone to create an account, like a lemmy.com, and then the last step during account creationg is to select your preferred instance for the account, maybe from like a drop down list that has a small blurb about the rules and expectations for that instance and a list of top 10 hosted communities, and maybe even a random choice option, and then you can go back to that main area to switch your instance later if need be.
When I first found Lemmy, it was through https://join-lemmy.org/ which is similar to what you are describing.
Though it recommended me to join lemmy.ml, and apparently it’s a controversial one, so I don’t know if that worked out well…
That’s how I got in! Lemm.ee does just fine.
But yea, perhaps we could chat to the heads of lemmy.world to maybe pin an announcement to help other instances and help decentralisation. I wouldn’t be surprised if they would agree to do that for the greater good.
I think historical data supports they wouldnt agree to stuff for the greater good, but idr that well so I could be wrong
Yeah you left out the hours of research to figure out what each instance is actually about and the years of abuse and power trips that have occured under different leadership, and also the dropdown includes defederated instances.
I started on blahaj, but they are NOT an inclusive and healthy LGBTQ community so I had to move but I didn’t want to go through all the effort again so I joined .world
If you thought .world is more LGBTQ friendly than Blahaj you must be smoking the good stuff.
Why don’t you stay on .ml if that’s what your account exists for?
It seems disingenuous to me not to use your .ml account
Nah, I support Ukraine’s independence and I blocked .ml a long time ago.
Removed by mod
Also Ada is a tankie
🤣
If Ada is a “tankie,” then everyone is a “tankie,” and since you say that “tankies” are fascists, then everyone is a fascist.
Why has she been hosting “196” A.K.A. “(also fuck tankies)” communities for the last two years? Deeply unserious.
Removed by mod
Lemm.ee is the default instance new users should use.
Because they haven’t defereated from the tankies yet?
This is why research is important
That would expose new users to Hexbear, and I don’t think new users would stay long after accidentally provoking them with wrongthink and getting spammed with pig testicle pics and insults. That was my experience when I first joined Lemmy and it wasn’t pleasant. Lemm.ee’s hands-off approach to defederation can be both a blessing and a curse, and I’m not sure it’d be best for new users to be exposed to some of the worst of Lemmy.
Stop making good the enemy of perfect!
Yeah, anything to get them from reddit is good.
Plus, once they get a feel for Lemmy and the wider fediverse, they can then migrate their account elsewhere.
Some of them maybe, but a lot are super toxic and I just hope they stay on reddit and make each other suffer rather than the good ppl on lemmy.
That’s a moderation issue, and if we can’t handle it here, Lemmy is doomed regardless.
No, it’s not. Lemmy is immortal.
Anywhere but:
- lemmy[.]ml
- lemmygrad[.]ml
- lemmy[.]world
- he xbea r[.]net
Generally a result of decentralization is that subjectively bad instances can arise, but the entire point of decentralization is that they can exist. I don’t consider it a weak point.
I hate the communists on this platform developed by communists
I don’t hate communists. The reasons I don’t recommend those instances are:
lemmy[.]ml - Censorship of pro-ukraine posts and comments
lemmygrad - see above; also defederated a lot.
lemmy[.]world - too big, has a lot of toxic people, some moderation issues
hex - defederated from most of the mainstream fediverse.Supporting nazi governments is frowned upon, yes
Do you honestly agree with the idea that Ukraine was a nazi country?
Was? No, the nazis are still in charge. I said government, don’t pull that shit where you make no distinction between the people and their jailers. Ukrainians? Probably mostly cool, haven’t met them. Their government? Absolutely nazis, absolutely put in place by us to do nazis shit.
I had a whole thing written about Operation GLADIO and America’s almost century-long history of doing exactly this all over the world, how the word “Tankie” comes from the time the Soviet Union stopped them from doing it to Hungary in 1956, but then I remembered a picture is worth a thousand words. Here’s several pictures:
That’s a picture of Stephan Bandera by the way, head of the OUN-B organization which participated in the Holocaust. Here he is in his in his spiffy military uniform:
Eh, times change, right? It’s not as if any recent high ranking government officials have been see-
Ah. Hm.
Well, it’s not like they’re doing hitler youth shit, right?
God damn, what the hell is going on? Is there some kind of documented, easy-to follow trail of obvious causality that I can use to make sense of this??
Of course there is, and it’s only a minute and a half long!
Okay, joking is done. Real talk, do you honestly believe the obviously bullshit narrative that Ukraine isn’t a country whose people live under the Nazi boot?
By nazi country, I meant ruled by nazis. Sorry if that was unclear.
Even if Ukraine has a “nazi problem” russia’s invasion is nothing but imperialism.
hex - defederated from most of the mainstream fediverse.
This is exactly why you should tell people leaving reddit to check it out.
Some people don’t come here to talk politics.
There are some people who may just use reddit for non-political stuff, like crafts, gaming and news from their country. Most of that stuff is on lemmy.world.We do all that too, we’re just cooler. We have DIY comms, anime comms, I run the gaming discord where we mostly just chill and play Foxhole ARMA and project zomboid.
My point is that everything is political and for people that want a nice cozy space that is vigilantly purged of reactionaries and bigots it’s a breath of fresh air from the reddit environment that carries over to a lot of the big “default” - as you call them - instances.
Shit half the posts on hexbear are silly jokes, weird special interest stuff, personal projects, or random bean posting. We are just very very militant and fairly unified when topics of politics come up and it has roots in irreverent commie shitposting so that will always be there.
hexbear does have a lot of non-political comms, but some of the more niche ones are on .world. I think .world is still far better than
Those people can literally go back to reddit and have their use experience be 100% identical
Not really. Reddit has gotten really shitty. Not just the community, the actual platform itself.
No thanks, people like that make reddit a miserable experience. Its the same here.
“boo hoo people shit on me for being reactionary”
That is all I get from this comment without further elaboration.
i’m not getting anything from your comment either, I don’t even know what you are talking about. reactionary? people shit on me?
It’s just a miserable reading experience even when I don’t interact. Hopefully blocking certain instances helps, but what makes me wary is that blocking certain people for example seems to hide the whole threads if someone in the thread is blocked.
Hexbear.net defederated because of a domain problem that’s since been fixed
Although I suspect the “censorship of pro-ukraine posts and comments” is just as much present there as it is in lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml, and the main reason for the “censorship” is racism
No, some instances block hex.
Also, .ml’s modlog shows a clear pro-russia bias. People should oppose the U.S’s imperialism, but supporting russia (even critically) isn’t the answer. I feel like hexbear has a more diverse range of views compared to .ml or grad though.
Spesifying that you shouldn’t support Russia even critically shows that you don’t understand the meaning of “critically”
Who benefits from the extension of the conflict? Who manufactures the soon-to-be expired warheads and ammunition sold to Ukraine?
US wouldn’t cease the the siege of Iraq and Afganistan before they gained the control of the whole governing body of the country and then extending the occupation for a decade (before abandoning the puppet government to fend for itself)
If Russia ceased all operations today keeping all the area they gained throughout this war, they would have still done less harm to Ukraine than US has done in any of its conflicts
“Critical support” means support for the option that causes the least humanitarian damage
Also, .ml’s modlog shows a clear pro-russia bias. People should oppose the U.S’s imperialism, but supporting russia (even critically) isn’t the answer
Have you considered that reality supports Russia’s justifications for intervening in Ukraine
And what are those justifications?
What a weird take. Its not promoted as an app for communists even if its made by them. Decentralized should mean that noone can enforce it to be communist.
I think they meant that no one should be surprised that there are communists on a platform created by communists.
I’m not sure anyone in this thread has claimed that they are surprised.
No, decentralized means the communists won’t get banned from your feed unless you block them yourself
Same point, different wording.
it’s not, you can mold the lemmy you experience perfectly to your liking, you just have to moderate it yourself, just don’t be surprised when you come across communists everywhere
Yes its the same point, you just misread my comment.
Now explain why to the masses.
- tankies
- tankies
- centralisation
- tankies
tankies => historical revisionism and genocide denial.
I don’t really care if they are authoritarian communists, I care that they deny or try to embellish massive human rights absuses and human suffering.
I mean I don’t care if they’re communists but the authoritarian bit is a no for me.
Authoritarian anything; within reason - is generally a bad thing. Ie communism, capitalism, and all spectrums in between :)
I mean yeah that was my point lol
Sounds about right.
abbout righht indeed
To expand:
On .ml, you’ll likely end up being banned for “bigotry” if you dare criticize certain authoritarian regimes. The mods and admins cannot handle any sort of dissent, so censorship is quite heavy there. You’ll even get banned from unrelated communities. It’s the least toxic of the “Big Three” tankie instances, but still not a great place to be. There’s also the issue of overcentralization since it’s such a large instance, as getting an unwarranted ban can block off access to a good chunk of communities.
Grad is .ml but more extremist. They’re widely defederated for good reason, as their users are pretty horrible to anyone they consider a shitlib. I can’t say much about them from personal experience as they’ve been defederated with my instance for as long as I’ve been here, but many have alts on .ml where they do engage in shitty behaviour.
Hexbear is by far the worst. Take grad, and turn the hostility up to 11. If you say the wrong thing, it may end up posted in their “dunk tank” where they’ll then proceed to harass you as a group for days or longer, even taking it to DMs. They do not federate with other instances to participate in good faith, they federate in order to push their agenda and “dismantle Western propaganda”. And by that, they actually mean flooding threads with oversized emotes and graphic pictures of pigs shitting on their own testicles when they decide to brigade. They’re also widely defederated for good reason, and most threads involving defederating with them have plenty of examples of their awful conduct outside of their instance. Many have alts on other instances to bypass said defederation though.
Because most Americans can’t handle any other worldview and have no identity beyond mindless nationalism.
You’re beleif system dictates you don’t deserve rights or a voice.
Silence slave.
Tankies simply partake in a different nationalism: Russian or Chinese
Lmao spend one minute on meanehileongrad and say that again.
Not everyone against tankies are American or even from the West. You ARE aware Lemmy has many worldwide users, right?
lol 🤡
What the heck does this have to do with choosing a social media platform, comrade?
“I hate centralization, we should do less centralization”
posts a list of instances to avoid, 3/4 of which are actually much smaller in active users than his own, presumably just all instances he politically disagrees with
Not really.
- lemmy[.]ml - Censorship of pro-ukraine posts
- lemmygrad - see above; also defederated a lot.
- lemmy[.]world - too big, has a lot of toxic people, some moderation issues
- hex - defederated from most of the mainstream fediverse.
so that’s 3/4 that you’re saying to avoid because you personally have deemed their moderation policies objectively inferior (and judging by 1 and 2 you probably think the same about hexbear?)
sounds like they’re just instances you politically disagree with, one of which does happen to also be massive. I’m not saying redditors should come to those 4 instances, they mostly shouldn’t (grad and hexbear don’t want most of them, .ml has been trying to not be “the default instance” since forever, and world is a shithole and already massive/centralizing), but your choice of list was transparently more political than it was about centralization, why not just be honest about that?
Or are you going to pull the “moderation policies are (or should be) objective and apolitical” canard?
I never said it was about centralisation, it was about instances being recommended to newcomers. Sorry if that was unclear.
I don’t know if you realise this but we can actually see the titles of posts we’re commenting on.
The comment I was replying to said “Don’t make perfect the enemy of good!”, likely referring to getting users onto the fediverse from sites like reddit. I think recommending almost any instance but those ones is a good idea to newcomers.
Also, just because the title references centralisation, the biggest problem plaguing LW, doesn’t mean there are other reasons to avoid it.
Facts
Don’t forget:
-
vegantheoryclub [.] org
-
tankies
wait, what?
They love simping for the CCP and Putin.
-
Here fucking here. 3 are blatantly full of Nazis and one is just Reddit.
So like the big servers that everyone’s on, gotcha
Pretty much yeah. Spreading stuff out so there is no single point of failure is a good thing.
I don’t see the issue with recommending a generic instance, if your intend is to convert the generic user. It certainly is a better experience than saying ‘ok, so choose what you like from this list of instances’ and they don’t even know the implications or what that means.
The overcomplication of Lemmy is an issue, and this behavior tries to avoid that.
Recommending generic instances is good, but please don’t recommend that generic instance.
Eh why not, might mellow them out a little
As long as they have more than two brain cells to click together. If they can’t get past the tiny technical barrier to entry then they can go somewhere else.
What you’re saying is “reddit is fine, it can stay the front page of the internet, I don’t mind”
