They’re not exactly bastions of freedom-fighting rebels against tyranny, they are a dark-age group of bigots and legitimate threats to worldwide infrastructure by attacking shipping lanes. Shipping lanes keep food and medicine moving around the world, it’s not just about the USA, most developed nations are supportive of responding to the Houthis with force.
edit: The situation with the Houthis is more about Iran and US than it is about Gaza/israel, PLEASE I beg of you to read up on the timeline and history before trying to argue with me and understand that the world is more nuanced than you want it to be, and in fact I challenge you to read up on this story and its history and NOT be disappointed on some level. There is no “good guy” in this, everyone is shit. Also I am turning off inbox replies so I don’t have to argue with reactionaries. Save your energy.
My friend, that was between US and Iran and had NOTHING to do with Gaza, the Houthis were proxy players and as a result were treated like pawns. Seriously, read up on events and understand that what we’re told is never the truth.
Read up on the “blockade” and Houthis’ history and you will see a performative stunt funded by Iran and Houthis willing to do anything to get international attention.
NONE of them care about the genocide, if you believe they do, you’ve fallen for the whole pile of bullshit. There is a naive desire to seek out allies in the face of a horrific situation, but there are no allies. (I mean, unless all Americans decided to work together and marched on washington demanding action and removal of our current so-called administration, but we can’t even get our own progressive side to stop arguing about if the Houthis are “bad or good” so I don’t have much hope that anyone is going to do more than bitch at each other on the internet while people continue to die needlessly for no other reason than humans are too easily swayed by emotional appeals one way or another.)
If you translate any of this as anti-semitism you are a moron who belongs on Trump’s cabinet.
Because Iran was paying them. Please read the actual story. I cannot be a current events professor here, repeating the same shit doesn’t change the story, Houthis are not your heros.
I don’t care if Iran is paying them, the goal of both the Houthis and Iran is to stop the genocide which is not only a good thing, it is the duty of every country under international law
I am saying Houthis are not your heros, and Russia is now funding both sides of our internal “debate” here in the USA about the Houthis, so whatever the fuck you’re reading out there, it’s probably wrong. They do this to poison the well so that people tune out and don’t know what to think anymore.
I am not engaging on this shit anymore because everyone is too locked-in and can’t even have a conversation, it’s just rabid frothing. Good work Russia.
That’s not really true. The US staged a coup in Iran in the 50’s to take their oil and give power to the shah, and during the Iranian revolution, Carter allowed the same shah to take refuge in the US (against the advice of foreign policy advisors like Kissinger). This outraged the Iranians who assumed that the US was preparing to reinstall him in another coup, leading them to seize the US embassy and take hostages, causing a breakdown of relations. The US went on to support Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war. Israel is a major factor, but there’s a lot of bad blood besides that, mostly because of the CIA’s actions (which were motivated by oil).
Yeah the reason Iran hates us is we killed there democracy and overthrew there very popular president. Because of Communist Allegations which weren’t true in the slightest.
Iran had no problem with America, it only had a problem with Britain, since they had been exploiting them as a colonial power. Truman actually forbid the CIA from doing what it wanted because he understood it to be a democratic, anti-colonial struggle. But the CIA and Eisenhower just had to wait for him to leave office, and Eisenhower came in not really understanding the situation and with both the CIA and Churchill asking him to sign off on it. It ended up being a bargaining chip, the US would overthrow Mossadegh to protect BP’s profits, and in exchange the UK would join NATO and support the Korean War. The Iranians got completely fucked over, just for trying to get out from under the thumb of colonial exploitation and reassert control over their own resources (and they weren’t the only ones). Part of the reason the coup succeeded was because Mossadegh trusted the US, and they exploited that trust to stab him in the back.
And nowadays, Americans are not only completely ignorant of that history, but even have the audacity to say things like “Islam is incompatible with democracy.” Like, motherfucker, you are incompatible with democracy.
The current US-Iran relationship is independent of that history. It is PNAC neocon origins, and pure Israel designed policy. History has little to do with the sanctions and axis of hate towards Iran, and it is disingenuous to suggest that Iran’s resistance is based on long irrelevant issues.
Chill. I don’t disagree with you that the current tensions are heavily impacted by the conflict with Israel, but I’m just supplying additional context that relations have also been bad for decades, for reasons not directly related to that. There’s nothing “disingenuous” to providing historical context, and just because tensions currently are related to something else doesn’t mean that history is irrelevant or that supplying context is “disingenuous.” You don’t get to just declare things to be “independent of history,” that’s not how anything works. If Iran was neutral on Israel, the bad blood would not just disappear overnight.
I’m on your side here, I’m just trying to be accurate about things.
Isn’t that a point for what I’m saying? I assume that the US did not accept, which doesn’t make sense if the US was purely antagonistic because of Israel.
Edit: don’t bother replying with your nonsense, just read and learn more. I already blocked you and like, half the people here who have learning disabilities.
The disingenous harrassment on this issue is that “The US must continue to hate Iran because of their successful coup on the Shah, and Iran never congratulated the US for the favour”. Hate against Iran today, since 1999/2001, is pure and simple, part of service to Israel agenda.
I know they have done horrible things and continue to do bad things but if the US would stop propping up all the other bad guys then this situation would resolve itself. We keep sticking our nose in that business and it will never bring about a resolution. The US hasn’t won a single war since WWII. They didn’t defeat the north Koreans the Vietnamize or the Taliban. They didn’t win the domestic ‘War on drugs’ They won’t win their war on freedom of body choice either. The truth is the US is losing and only ones winning are our enemies. Especially the ones we are helping.
Wow crazy how they just attack shipping lanes for no reason other than that they’re bigots, also crazy how their attacks just randomly happen to correspond with Israeli violence towards Palestinians and primarily target Israeli shipping. Almost as if they’re rational actors acting in retaliation - but no, they’re just crazy bigots doing terrorism for no reason other than “they hate us for our freedoms.”
It’s wild what a childish picture of the world people have.
I am against Israel’s government also, but “anyone who attacks israel is my friend” is an even more childish picture, I am providing realistic nuance, not mindless hugboxes ineffectual armchair political strategists. You don’t HAVE to have a black-and-white picture of the world, I promise it’s okay to NOT take a side about some issues.
No, I’m saying the reality is more nuanced than you or I know, and if you’re out cheering every time a Houthi sinks a shipping vessel you’re as dumb as the right. The situation is complicated and not as cartoonishly simple as most people in this post are making it out to be. Don’t view this as “good guys and bad guys” or you will be another mindless drone complicite in the agendas of powerful assholes.
No, I’m not doing back and forth about it. Have a good one.
They’re not exactly bastions of freedom-fighting rebels against tyranny, they are a dark-age group of bigots and legitimate threats to worldwide infrastructure by attacking shipping lanes. Shipping lanes keep food and medicine moving around the world, it’s not just about the USA, most developed nations are supportive of responding to the Houthis with force.
edit: The situation with the Houthis is more about Iran and US than it is about Gaza/israel, PLEASE I beg of you to read up on the timeline and history before trying to argue with me and understand that the world is more nuanced than you want it to be, and in fact I challenge you to read up on this story and its history and NOT be disappointed on some level. There is no “good guy” in this, everyone is shit. Also I am turning off inbox replies so I don’t have to argue with reactionaries. Save your energy.
They stopped the blockade when there was a ceasefire in Gaza, then they started it up again when the ceasefire ended.
They are doing whatever they can to stop a “a dark-age group of bigots” (israel) from continuing it’s genocidal actions
My friend, that was between US and Iran and had NOTHING to do with Gaza, the Houthis were proxy players and as a result were treated like pawns. Seriously, read up on events and understand that what we’re told is never the truth.
Then why did the blockade stop and start at the same time ceasefire started and ended
Also: iran also wants the genocide to end
The real “dark-age bigots” are the people who don’t want to end the genocide
Read up on the “blockade” and Houthis’ history and you will see a performative stunt funded by Iran and Houthis willing to do anything to get international attention.
NONE of them care about the genocide, if you believe they do, you’ve fallen for the whole pile of bullshit. There is a naive desire to seek out allies in the face of a horrific situation, but there are no allies. (I mean, unless all Americans decided to work together and marched on washington demanding action and removal of our current so-called administration, but we can’t even get our own progressive side to stop arguing about if the Houthis are “bad or good” so I don’t have much hope that anyone is going to do more than bitch at each other on the internet while people continue to die needlessly for no other reason than humans are too easily swayed by emotional appeals one way or another.)
If you translate any of this as anti-semitism you are a moron who belongs on Trump’s cabinet.
Then WHY did the blockade stop and start at the same time ceasefire started and ended.
Doing anything you can to bring international attention to a genocide is not only a good thing, it is every country’s duty under international law
Because Iran was paying them. Please read the actual story. I cannot be a current events professor here, repeating the same shit doesn’t change the story, Houthis are not your heros.
I don’t care if Iran is paying them, the goal of both the Houthis and Iran is to stop the genocide which is not only a good thing, it is the duty of every country under international law
I am saying Houthis are not your heros, and Russia is now funding both sides of our internal “debate” here in the USA about the Houthis, so whatever the fuck you’re reading out there, it’s probably wrong. They do this to poison the well so that people tune out and don’t know what to think anymore.
I am not engaging on this shit anymore because everyone is too locked-in and can’t even have a conversation, it’s just rabid frothing. Good work Russia.
This mf spittin.
LITERALLY specifically to fool low-information people like you.
Source?
Oh, honey
Most credible liberal.
Hahahahahaha what an argument you should run for office
Iran is US enemy only because it objects to Israel policies.
That’s not really true. The US staged a coup in Iran in the 50’s to take their oil and give power to the shah, and during the Iranian revolution, Carter allowed the same shah to take refuge in the US (against the advice of foreign policy advisors like Kissinger). This outraged the Iranians who assumed that the US was preparing to reinstall him in another coup, leading them to seize the US embassy and take hostages, causing a breakdown of relations. The US went on to support Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war. Israel is a major factor, but there’s a lot of bad blood besides that, mostly because of the CIA’s actions (which were motivated by oil).
Yeah the reason Iran hates us is we killed there democracy and overthrew there very popular president. Because of Communist Allegations which weren’t true in the slightest.
100%.
Iran had no problem with America, it only had a problem with Britain, since they had been exploiting them as a colonial power. Truman actually forbid the CIA from doing what it wanted because he understood it to be a democratic, anti-colonial struggle. But the CIA and Eisenhower just had to wait for him to leave office, and Eisenhower came in not really understanding the situation and with both the CIA and Churchill asking him to sign off on it. It ended up being a bargaining chip, the US would overthrow Mossadegh to protect BP’s profits, and in exchange the UK would join NATO and support the Korean War. The Iranians got completely fucked over, just for trying to get out from under the thumb of colonial exploitation and reassert control over their own resources (and they weren’t the only ones). Part of the reason the coup succeeded was because Mossadegh trusted the US, and they exploited that trust to stab him in the back.
And nowadays, Americans are not only completely ignorant of that history, but even have the audacity to say things like “Islam is incompatible with democracy.” Like, motherfucker, you are incompatible with democracy.
exactly.
The current US-Iran relationship is independent of that history. It is PNAC neocon origins, and pure Israel designed policy. History has little to do with the sanctions and axis of hate towards Iran, and it is disingenuous to suggest that Iran’s resistance is based on long irrelevant issues.
Chill. I don’t disagree with you that the current tensions are heavily impacted by the conflict with Israel, but I’m just supplying additional context that relations have also been bad for decades, for reasons not directly related to that. There’s nothing “disingenuous” to providing historical context, and just because tensions currently are related to something else doesn’t mean that history is irrelevant or that supplying context is “disingenuous.” You don’t get to just declare things to be “independent of history,” that’s not how anything works. If Iran was neutral on Israel, the bad blood would not just disappear overnight.
I’m on your side here, I’m just trying to be accurate about things.
Iran has offered to end its side of the bad blood with the “official western agreed solution” to Palestine.
Isn’t that a point for what I’m saying? I assume that the US did not accept, which doesn’t make sense if the US was purely antagonistic because of Israel.
I promise you, there is a lot more between the US and Iran than Israel.
My god the lack of historical awareness in this generation is going to give me an aneurism. I deeply hate you all. Get better.
https://www.cfr.org/timeline/us-relations-iran-1953-2023
Edit: don’t bother replying with your nonsense, just read and learn more. I already blocked you and like, half the people here who have learning disabilities.
The disingenous harrassment on this issue is that “The US must continue to hate Iran because of their successful coup on the Shah, and Iran never congratulated the US for the favour”. Hate against Iran today, since 1999/2001, is pure and simple, part of service to Israel agenda.
I know they have done horrible things and continue to do bad things but if the US would stop propping up all the other bad guys then this situation would resolve itself. We keep sticking our nose in that business and it will never bring about a resolution. The US hasn’t won a single war since WWII. They didn’t defeat the north Koreans the Vietnamize or the Taliban. They didn’t win the domestic ‘War on drugs’ They won’t win their war on freedom of body choice either. The truth is the US is losing and only ones winning are our enemies. Especially the ones we are helping.
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Wow crazy how they just attack shipping lanes for no reason other than that they’re bigots, also crazy how their attacks just randomly happen to correspond with Israeli violence towards Palestinians and primarily target Israeli shipping. Almost as if they’re rational actors acting in retaliation - but no, they’re just crazy bigots doing terrorism for no reason other than “they hate us for our freedoms.”
It’s wild what a childish picture of the world people have.
I am against Israel’s government also, but “anyone who attacks israel is my friend” is an even more childish picture, I am providing realistic nuance, not mindless hugboxes ineffectual armchair political strategists. You don’t HAVE to have a black-and-white picture of the world, I promise it’s okay to NOT take a side about some issues.
Is that what you think you’re doing? Not taking a side by justifying one side bombing the other?
No, I’m saying the reality is more nuanced than you or I know, and if you’re out cheering every time a Houthi sinks a shipping vessel you’re as dumb as the right. The situation is complicated and not as cartoonishly simple as most people in this post are making it out to be. Don’t view this as “good guys and bad guys” or you will be another mindless drone complicite in the agendas of powerful assholes.
No, I’m not doing back and forth about it. Have a good one.