• capital@lemmy.world
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        In the Gaza Strip the government was the Hamas government of 2012. Following two Fatah–Hamas Agreements in 2014, on 25 September 2014 Hamas agreed to let the PA Government resume control over the Gaza Strip and its border crossings with Egypt and Israel, but that agreement had broken down by June 2015, after President Abbas said the PA government was unable to operate in the Gaza Strip.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_government

        Let’s not pretend like they’re just some random group that just rolled in.

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          Nope, they are a terrorist criminal organization allowed to take over in the chaos caused by a never ending occupation intended to force People there to allow their land to be settled by the occupiers as the folks living their are systematically genocided.

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        If terrorists do terrorism around a hospital, you shoot the hospital. It’s the only logical answer.

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      They wouldn’t have anything to fire at if IDF troops weren’t there already murdering people.

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        Huh, wonder why the IDF is there. Oh yeah, it’s because Hamas stormed out of Gaza and specifically targeted civilians as nice soft targets.

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          Not to defend Hamas or anything. But Israel does the same thing all the time. Proper escalation to kids throwing rocks at armed soldiers is not a lethal hail of semi-automatic military eeaponry fire. Happens all the time though.

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              Other than pretending the IDF actions against unarmed innocent civilians is justifiable, sure you would.

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                I just said I think IDF violence against kids throwing rocks is unjustifiable. DID I STUTTER?

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                  You did no such thing. You simply stated you’d allow another to criticize it without your objection. Immediately after stating the IDF were fully justified in their slaughter of children since a terrorist group hiding among said prisoner children had broken out of the prison and attacked People that were not guarding the prison.

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          And we all know that October saw the first civilians killed in this conflict.

          Israel has killed more children than Hamas did people in that attack.

          As in innocent children.

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            First Civilians killed was way back when the KGB convinced the idiot ideologues in Egypt to attack Israel allowing the Israelis an excuse to preemptively strike in 1967. Oh, and the Palestinians have been being genocided ever since.

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              I think you’ll find that the Zionists have been running Palestinians out of their homes since the 1940s

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            That’s not what I’m saying. I hold the Israeli government and Hamas to both be responsible in this conflict. I don’t see judging who is more responsible as that productive of an exercise. More Palestinian civilians have died, but that’s because Hamas actively put them in harm’s way. What would you ask Israel to do, given that 1,400 of their citizens died on 10/7 and hundreds more remain hostages?

            Israel’s position previous to 10/7 was that they would just leave Gaza as an open air prison with Hamas in charge, though they would never like it framed that way. After 10/7, that changed. Hamas is clearly more of a threat than they envisioned and has to be exterminated.

            Given that this is the general air inside of Israel, what should happen? I’m not sure they can really even back off at this point, given how far Hamas went. Unfortunately, smarter people than me don’t have good answers. Part of the problem is a failure of leadership on both sides. Bibi apparently did his best back in the day to essentially legitimize Hamas while cutting the PLA out of the peace process, purposefully splitting the Palestinians. Meanwhile, Palestinian leadership is a mix of corrupt, weak, and uninspiring. Both Israelis and Palestinians deserve a new generation of better leaders, but I haven’t heard of any.

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          Why is the IDF in the West bank, and actively trying to stir up conflict? And if a radical group/government took control of the West bank because of it, would you blame both sides?