On the side bar it lists the following:
- [Matrix/Element]Dead
- Discord
“Discord” is an active link, but the Matrix link is completely inactive. Not only is it inactive (which could have be excused as a broken link), but it is also manually labeled as “Dead”, as if there is no intention of making it work. How can a community that is focused on privacy willingly favor a service that is privacy non-respecting when a perfectly functional privacy-respecting alternative exists?
It’s the timeless debate between accessibility and exclusivity. Do you want more people in your community by compromising some values? Or would you rather be a hardliner but never reach those people?
Most of the time you have to pick somewhere on that spectrum. It’s a question of pragmatism and utilitarianism.
Does it do more good for lots of people to be slightly more privacy-aware, or is it better to have a very small portion of the population that are super privacy-aware?
You have to decide, and the debate rages on all the time.
If you compromise on the very topic you’re promoting, you don’t care enough.
Wait, really? So you think Matrix is the ultimate form of secure and private “chat” communities? Because if it is not then it is a compromise.
This Lemmy instance for sure as hell is not the most private and secure.
Because privacy communities are a joke.
Yeah it quickly becomes a dick measuring contest and shunning people for using different things. It becomes very black/white views, and have some crazy out of touch takes, like expecting your grandma to self host lol. They also confuse anonymity with privacy, like how not being able to sign up for something with tor and monero is a privacy violation, it’s not.
I think it falls into the same pitfalls as most super niche communities, like a lot of subreddits did.
For example, the shaving subreddit (/r/wicked_edge I think?). Its mission statement was to introduce people to cleaner, safer, and more efficient shaving methods. And for the most part, with all of its resources and wikis, it successfully did it. But if you choose to stay after you’ve made your informed purchases, the posts were mostly braggarts showing off their latest hundreds-of-dollars handles, supreme razor blades, brushes made from actual gold, that sort of thing. My point is, the average person (by my guess, like 90% of people going to the site) gets the information they need and then never participate in the community again. But those who stay are those who really want to stay– people who are most likely to brag and boast. So over time, it falls more and more into plain old dick measuring contests.
This obviously isn’t true of all communities, but I think it’s a common pitfall for a lot of them. I can imagine privacy is very similar: take all the steps you can to learn to protect your privacy, and then… you’re good, for the most part.
Wow this is great I am surprised to see people talking about this (let alone even being aware of it).
Really refreshing to not have it to be a contest to follow random dogmas.
Lemmy is refreshingly smarter than I was used to seeing on Reddit.
Hahahaha
Not have it be a contest to follow random dogmas
Lemmy is refreshingly smarter than… reddit
I don’t know if this was intentional or not, but either way this was hilarious!!
Most cryptocurrency communities use Discord or Telegram. It’s such an embarrasment.
I’ve never understood this either, given the whole notion and enthusiasm behind decentralization. I get the trade-offs regarding privacy, security, and convenience, but if you’re really tryna start a movement, and you really believe in the concept and principles of something like cryptocurrency, it seems like your communities and communication channels should also reflect similar values.
And that’s where you realize that them defending decentralization is just trying to have a nice-sounding argument instead of assuming their dreams of getting rich with new tech
Crypto enthusiasts don’t really care or understand decentralization. If you talk to crypto bros you will realize pretty quickly that a lot of them are very very low IQ morons.
I was at an event and met a crypto bro. He tried to explain to a group of us that btc is like moss and the world is the forest. A couple people legitimately “got it” and began to get excited about crypto.
Crypto enthusiasts don’t really care or understand decentralization.
I wouldn’t criticize others for their low IQ while making such a dumb generalization.
Should be telling the only two services they use is one infamous for fuck tons of child grooming and one infamous for fuck tons of terrorism.
Thank you! It’s basically impossible to use discord anonymously
Omg fuck discord so much
I don’t understand why it’s so popular… It’s a fancy IRC that’s centralized by a single company
- Better moderation tools
- Easier to do voice/video channels
- Easy to create your own server
- Huge amount of useful bots created by the community
- Features like replies, threads, onboarding screens, and custom emotes
Don’t get me wrong, I wish that we could use a FOSS platform instead of Discord, but 1: people are already using Discord and it’s hard to get everyone to switch platform, and 2: there is no comparable alternative right now
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They are, precisely. Mod tools is the #1 complaint for any FOSS platform, with everything else after it.
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Discord is not just about the community bot culture. The moderation tools there are hassle-free and people can be segregated into as many channels they can access, or who can be muted and unmuted during a hybrid audio-screenshare group chat session, and so on. Its very granular and easy even for basic level social media users.
Here is your answer, and it was asked 3 months ago. This includes all the context surrounding it, and why there has been no Matrix chatroom ever since. Linking for relevance, same content is below. https://lemmy.ml/comment/1632728
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(JUNE 2022) LEMMY RCMP THREAT FIASCO REVISIT
There was a recent incident from late April 2023 (a month ago) where Daniel Micay claimed he has faced a swatting attempt (attempt to raid house and murder), and a certain CP and gore spammer flooded GrapheneOS chatrooms with this type of nasty troll content, but in one month, he has NOT provided any evidence. Moreover, he claimed Royal Canadian Metropolitan Police (RCMP) is investigating this matter, and then proceeded to lockdown the GrapheneOS Off-Topic Matrix chatroom (place of claimed incident) for sometime.
Micay’s claims are still unproven two months later. Moreover, his accusations against and harassment of Louis Rossmann sparked a lot of anger among the non delusional people that left behind and condemned GrapheneOS after this.
This faux threatening using Canadian police’s credentials reminded me of a very similar incident that I faced at Lemmy from two moderators (akc3n from GrapheneOS and dngray from PrivacyGuides) on behalf of Micay. I am the moderator of c/privacy at Lemmy, and this was their failed attempt at trying to rage bait me into reacting hastily, causing administration to revoke my moderation powers, so that GrapheneOS trolls could make Lemmy their next place of habitat, something I protect Lemmy from.
During this incident, due to the chaos that the tag team of GrapheneOS and PrivacyGuides (remember they still have shared moderator after Tommy?) caused, one Lemmy administrator warned me, because they got scared about the name of police being involved. Tommy_Tran/Privsec_dev proceeded to get me banned from Lemmy c/privacy’s Matrix chatroom by tag teaming with dngray (PrivacyGuides moderator) to bait the moderator of that Matrix chatroom in believing I was the troll. Tommy took over soon enough and changed the room into some Windows/GrapheneOS Security crap, and later the moderator of Matrix chatroom itself moved off of Lemmy.ml (Lemmy’s main instance) onto Lemmy.ca (coincidentally a Canadian instance). I do not know if these Canadians are friends or just fellow countrymen, but what they did was insanely evil. (Instances are like separate websites that can still operate like they are the same forum/website.)
Screenshot of c/privacy Matrix room takeover and trolling behind my back, knowing what they have pulled off: https://i.imgur.com/PoTiANo.jpg
Want to know who the person who pulled it off, is? https://lemmy.ml/u/Yayannick, still a moderator of this sublemmy, right now, who mains lemmy.ca and has been inactive here since the past year. His real ID is https://lemmy.ca/u/Kokomheart, and this is the untold story of how lemmy.ca was built atop of leeching off of lemmy.ml, the main instance.
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Lemmy.one instance is PrivacyGuides’ instance today, in case anyone wants to stay away from it. The same thieves that stole PrivacyToolsIO’s $17,500 donations, and went unchecked.
Why is it always graphene os drama.
Also are you really expecting evidence for a cp/gore flood, like wtf? Not only are you asking for people to screen cap that (like they even have anything to prove), but you only have to be in there a few days to actually see it happen.
Evidence for gore, unlike CP, can be provided to independent and critical folks like us. The real lie was only a fellow mod of GrapheneOS offtopic Matrix chat was “verified source” as evidence for such content being posted there. Micay claims to be autist and uses it as excuse to harm or accuse people of horrible things, and never apologising to anyone.
The internet has a very simple rule, for any mature person that has used this technology for a long time - EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE. Now while you would say, CP can be an occasional and legitimate occurrence in underground and private chatrooms, the reason why this demand exists is because Daniel Micay has lied over dozens of times about various people and groups, calling me a “paid agent sent by Chinese govt to destroy privacy community”, Techlore and CalyxOS evil people, developers of Bromite and Florisboard “neo-nazis” without evidence, Louis Rossmann being “complicit” in a (never proved) attempt to swat him, and so on.
Here is a very good reddit post by a long term user that documents Micay’s instances of accusations with no evidence. https://old.reddit.com/user/lo________________ol/comments/1314x2x/why_did_i_do_this/
Literally who gives a fuck
I have seen this “political/drama” bullshit cloaking of legit issues for years on Reddit. People who hate Firefox for “woke politics” and use Brave to enable homophobia engage in same crap. Not going to let this Reddit behaviour repeat on Lemmy, and allow disuniting privacy community here as well.
Keep this disgusting apathetic selfish behaviour out of Lemmy. This falls under the “be nice” rule.
Stop feeding the drama then
Stop protecting the drama queen then. If anyone mentions his project’s name as an attempt to give it publicity, and him or his acolytes not apologise to any of us, resistance will continue.
Cringe
This drama has never brought any good and just brings down everyone involved. He clearly has some issues and that doesn’t need advertising. And that includes me he’s also called an undercover agent or whatever that’s against graphene because I like Firefox. In fact these comments will probably find a way back to him somehow, it’s better to just not feed these things.
I will have you know that 10 days ago, I asked on the GrapheneOS sublemmy about evidence for the alleged swatting incident, since it has been 5 months. The comment was removed by akc3n, and he banned me within hours claiming “abusive behaviour targeting project members”. They are clearly hiding facts and dodging scrutiny because it was a lie all along.
They are the ones who create and thirst for drama. And if everybody starts to admit that, and NOT mention his project’s name EVER AGAIN to give it publicity, the resistance from people like me will stop.
There are plenty better and more effective methods for privacy and security on Android. And it is written multiple times that we have to trust the software developer and their behaviour conduct track record as basis for it (which Micay is incapable of, as seen in the past years), because software code can be hidden in plain sight, can do a lot of things, and is never bug free. Any “bad” thing can be labelled as a bug by anyone.
