TLDR: i complain about samsung’s flagship and newer android.
I use samsung flagship phone and it’s crazy, how unable I am to use full potential of my phone, just because I don’t want to log in to google neither to samsung. I try to use F-droid and Aurora Store whenever possible, but its so bad experience…for maps I use Organic Maps, but google forces it to be installed specifically from Google Play Store to work with Android Auto, so I have to log in every time there is an update. Most of games won’t work, because they require being signed-in to google, and thats actually kinda weird…before my phone now I had an old Galaxy S5 Android 6.0 and games there didn’t complain that much as here on Android 14 (so the newer android the less privacy you get, while them all companies “focus on privacy”, bullshit liars), samsung requires signing-in to usd like 1/10 of the flagship features…It’s so sad, as I love samsung’s quality, phone is really outstanding, overall all samsung products are very good quality, but pushing these fucking accounts is convincing me not to buy samsung’s flagship anymore. We need to finally unite and make some alternative to those close-sourced bloatware, as phone industry is nowhere near to being as free as desktop industry. I feel more free using Windoze than those fucking " smart"phones. Really if you have to buy new smartphone and are into privacy, think twice before you buy samsung…phone itself is great, but software side is a nightmare.
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I used to use Lineage OS before without gapps and it worked flawlessly although it was few years ago. Give it a try.
If you liked LineageOS without gapps, than I highly recommend DivestOS. It is a soft-fork of LineageOS with significant security hardening and removal of proprietary binary blobs.
lets start the divestos wave, its somehow rarely heard of but has the support of lineageos with the hardening of (almost) grapheneos, and the principles of GNU.
Lineage and a fork, DivestOS are very close to Graphene, and run on far more devices.
The search for perfection is the enemy of good.
I’ve run Lineage for years on some spare devices. Battery life is so much better without Google Services.
My most recent device (Pixel 5 with DivestOS) is averaging 1.1% battery consumption per hour over the last day. That included an hour of navigation, using Google maps with microG services.
One old device runs longer with DivestOS than it ever did with stock, and the battery has lost 40% capacity. That’s how bad Google Services eat battery.
Plus Lineage permits you to use a number of old devices, unlike Graphene. It’s good, it gives you far more control than Google.
My final thought on Graphene - it needs to be taken over and lead by some professionals. Those folks act like stereotypical geeks of 30 years ago, arrogant, condescending (I worked with their type 30 years ago, and was a little like them then). They also denigrate anything less than what they deem “perfect”. The very definition of hubris.
Their attitude is “if you have a problem you must’ve done something wrong, why did you do something wrong”. Having that experience with them has put me off Graphene permanently.
Edit: I can re-lock the bootloader with Divest, so the condescending Graphene folks are just plain wrong about being the only OS that can do this. I don’t lock it, because my threat model doesn’t require it. The odds of my phone being grabbed by someone with state-actor-level skills being after me is non-existent, and there are easier ways to get the same data from me.
How did you install it on a Samsung device?
Samy usually requires Odin3 to flash ROMs – which requires a m$ 4 pane trash shoot OS. I haven’t used m$ since the Samy S3 Galaxy era, so things may have changed but I doubt it.
Android Auto has a setting toggle to turn it on. “Unknown” apps or some bullshit.
As someone who’s used android literally since the first android phone was released, it’s a massive disappointment how locked down and enshittified it’s become.
I am surprised it took you this long.
The next step in this evolutionary thinking is simple. Buying hardware specs is a fool’s folly. I don’t compare hardware. Ads and marketing are totally nonsense and not worth even a slight glance. The ONLY thing that matters is what open source projects exist and what hardware do they support well. This is how I shop. Open Source or F.O.
New motto: open source, open purse
Pay to play? Finance to FOSS.
If it ain’t free, it ain’t for me (if it ain’t libre, no way)
All in all my conclusion after experiencing the same: Samsung wants to replicate the same level of surveilance Google has. So with a Samsung phone I need to degoogle AND to desamsung …
it spreads anti-libre software
I’ve always used Samsung phones but I’m not buying anymore.
I personally use GraphineOS on my phone and Alpine on my laptop
to respond to the title, I’m not sure about that. your problems are with the samsung system, not with all the custom roms. I think it’s not only graphene that’s the solution. It’s even only available for a little subset of the phones.
That’s only as long as you have money for a Pixel (and most people don’t).
or want a pixel, or want to buy a new phone. the insistence on pixel support only is frustrating.
Graphene doesn’t have an advantage over other options if it doesn’t get newest security patches so support is mandatory.
I’ve bought used phones since 2013. The most I’ve ever paid is $150, and that was recently for a Pixel.
You can pickup a Pixel 4 for about $100.
Surely “most people” are paying far more for their phones.
Pixel 4 is past EOL with Graphene (and google)
Old second hand Pixels are pretty cheap but they don’t receive Graphene updates for very long.
I got a refurbished Pixel 7A for $220 just to mess around with GrapheneOS. It’s a very affordable phone.
The a series is pretty good bang for your buck, if you can’t afford that and neither used ones, then maybe you could settle for one of the cheaper Asian ones supported by Divest OS
Exactly - I’m still very happy with my 4a. A used 5, 6 or 7a would be very cheap and very usable.
The biggest problem is the scarce availability outside the US.
Or should I say, that the biggest problem is software (OS) compatibility with other devices than the Pixel?
My money is on the latter.
Most people have no problem paying more for an iPhone.
most rich people*
Rich?
So only the half of the US that buys iPhone’s is rich?
Or is it they don’t know what they’re paying because it’s part of the monthly bill?
Most of the iPhone users I know are in their 20’s and make less than half of what I do… And I’m far from rich.
So only the half of the US that buys iPhone’s is rich?
Yes. A lot of people worldwide are much less rich than that.
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This is why I specifically pick phones that have custom ROM support. Then I don’t need to install gapps and I just use fdroid
