If Lemmy were to integrate with Matrix the storage costs would explode exponentially, the two systems are notoriously heavy! (Lemmy is consistently the only service that fills more than 1 GB of storage in my browser and refuses to clean up).

XMPP is the true inheritor of IRC when it comes to standard, federated, self-hostable chat / messaging.

Unless they want it to be possible that people see their content.

That’s what the airwaves are for.

But no, really, Youtube is neither that open nor that essential that the people not there are Somehow Invisible on the Internet. And even if that was somehow the case, you actually don’t need to upload video, you can just use a normal youtube account to comment and link your content wherever relevant “conversations” lead there.

I apologize for not being able to find the button to Upvote Twice on lemmy. Once will have to suffice.

I yearn to find the lost knowledge of how to do those thingies!

Okay where is False?

There’s like [checks notes] 2 more video platforms on the internet!

No reason these people can’t post on those, or host their own.

Even nature is by nature left-biased, so if you lean left you are far less likely to get your facts wrong anyway.

I don’t make the rules. It’s other people who fail at life.

Yeah I mean it’s basically a consequence that an upvote or a downvote can be for any number of reasons not shared from up- to down- or viceversa, and a simple voting system is ill-equipped to represent or contextualize that. Various solutions are viable, but my perspective is that if up+down-voting is here to stay, that part could be extended so that the act of voting could be this one bit more representative.

Another idea would be to just open it up and let people use any emoji to react.

Please no! XD We already have enough emoji as it is, not to mention they are comboable in non-portable ways or they change meaning according to the provider / renderer (GUN becoming WATER GUN is a good example).

But I do think there are valid “reaction sets” that could be interpreted with emoji, and pretty much all of them happen to match the examples you have provided:

Positive reaction / Upvote ; Negative reaction / Downvote.

Reaction of commiseration / offer of emotional support / “Hug” or w/e.

Reaction of joining in activity / offer of technical or factual support / “Let’s do this”.

Fun; Unfun

Reaction of surprise / “TIL” / “wow”.

Factually correct ; Factually incorrect.

Reaction of “same”, “this tbh”, “mood” or other such neologisms

Ofc I prefer the reactions are biased towards promoting good interaction; I really don’t see much use for reactions like “hostile / rude”, “faggot”, “kys” or stuff like that. Downvote and, depending on the case, Factually Incorrect and Unfun deal with most of that.

Because they have to be able to act upon invalid / spam / bot / brigading voting if it happens. And there is not a reasonable way to do that without knowing the voters (not necessarily the votes) that is not “disable votes for this particular subject”.

One concern is whether this would be too complicated for people to understand or engage with properly.

Grandmas nowadays already spam emoji conversations happily. I wouldn’t be any worried that this system looks “complicated”. Did we forget that we were once children who loved to tinker with things, be they the concrete such as the bathroom lock or the abstract such as mom’s rules on if we can keep a pet?

Other posts have already posted it better than I could, but my tl;dr is: one of the good things about Lemmy compared to the “competition” is that votes are public – or at least the fact that someone voted is.

I wouldn’t mind restricting access to how a user voted, in particular if in the future something like multi-choice upvotes becomes a thing, or even something I’d love to see as is dual-voting (“I downvoted because I don’t like it but I upvoted it because you are absolutely right about it”, this is absolutely different than not voting at all if the who is voting is being tracked).

But on a fundamental level, in the least instance admins have to be able to know who votes for our version of the system to even work compared to the competition.

Thanks for the response! It makes sense that you’d have to build stuff from scratch if you could not reasonably find something somewhere else that “fits”. A good work on hosting that extra tidbit yourself, too.

As we started working on this, we realized that there wasn’t a really good resource, and that we would have to build something from scratch.

Has this impacted your decision process on how to iterate this over time? I assume at some point there will be more or different projects going around, some projects may die but their archives might still be around, who (if anyone) counts as the authoritative voice on how a given project’s icon should look, etc.

Yes.

Next up!

ICANN approves use of .awesome-selfhosted domain for your network

Can I ask seriously why the hraka do icons have to be a font? *.png has existed since… well, almost since before I existed. Not to mention stuff like CSS imagegrids.

Pretty much everywhere I go and open a webpage, I’m first met with text symbols that are something like “Á” or “§” and I can’t figure out what are they for unless I hovertext over them and the link says something like “sign up” or “join our Discord”… then I realize that, sure thing, the site relies on a remote connection to fontawesome to even display their menus correctly. Of course since I use uBO, I have remote resource connections disabled unless they’re needed ones.

If anything, I’m at least pleased that these are not huge ass-SVG banners that are like 4 to 6 screen tall bird or globe icons that a remote javascript is supposed to redraw as social icons of an adequate, small size. But at least one thing that is good about using images is that they have an accessible fallback: the alt attribute, or the title if you are lazy. To my knowledge, fonts don’t have such an accessible fallback on HTML.

all it takes for you to lose all the hard work you’ve done building up a community is the person running a server to pull the plug with no warning.

This also shows the even more important lesson: if you want to maintain a community you also have to be responsible about digital community sovereignty. Set up your own instance, or at least set up your own webpage (even a Neocities one) that is kept updated with information about where the active community and any alternatives / mirrors are.

We are coming out from reddit yet still have to fully learn the lesson about renting our existence on someone else’s server. (And, to be fair, fediverse development as a whole should be helping with that: in the least migrating user accounts should be as easy as “export to file” → “import from file”).

Eh, language evolves, terms that follow normal grammar constructions eventually are expanded beyond their niches (see: “forbade” and all those verbs that start with “for”; as well as “embiggen” etc).

“Enshittify” is literally just “make something shittier” (“en-” + “shit” + “-fy”). Sure it was coined for the idiosyncracies of this absurd timeline, and we are all glad for that – but really it’s just a correct word that has always existed it just went unused.

Now, if you want to pedant, sure let’s go that way: Mozilla is also a platform that “entices people with a free offering” (Firefox), then “gradually tightens” (or, really, loosens) the screws over time “to make that service worse” (Pocket, Robot, post-Auralis UI, AIs, etc). This “usually happens when a platform becomes the dominant player” (in this case, basically the only big Gecko browser).

Millionaires and politicians simping for money on Mastodon, while otherwise people who are actually disabled, homeless or in need struggle to even get their posts begging for contributions seen?

Wow, didn’t expect that of all thing that would enshittify the Fediverse, it would be a politician going for the left.

Every time this discussion comes around, I remember a scene from The Day After Tomorrow that makes me laugh very loud, that is Americans ilegally crossing the border to Mexico and then the Mexico pres having pity of the US and admitting the immigrants in exchange for the US forgiving the entire national debt.