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If people are mis-using the metaphor to push an agenda, the solution isnt to further twist the metaphor, it’s to push back tell them they are using it incorrectly, and that they are full of shit. Further misinterpreting the metaphor doesn’t solve anything, and just allows further abuse of the metaphor.

Im not twisting the metaphor, im calling out how it has been twisted.

If anything, this misinterpretation is exactly what a right wingers want, as it legitimises their use of the sound byte, without hold their word to the higher standard of the original metaphor.

Calling out what right wingers actually mean is never what right wingers want.

We should be holding the metaphor to its strictest meaning, which is a good policy (rising tide) must benefit absolutely everyone (ALL ships).

But thats not what it means, its strictest meaning is that a rising tide will lift all boats. That is, what is good for one person is equally good for all people. It doesnt say anything about good policy or what that must mean.

The metaphor doesn’t use the word people at all. Boats refers to all people. Some are big boats (wealthy), some are dingies (poor). The tide raises all the boats equally.

Thats the surface level meaning sure, and thats what people want you to think they mean. But more or less every time I’ve heard the metaphor, its being used to pretend like me not being able to buy grovceries is the same as Elon Musk being a trillionaire, or Trump having gold plated toilets in his second vacation home or w/e (because we are both boats and a rising tide lifts all boats equally right?)

If you want to twist the metaphor into some kind of class thing, fine, but you are deliberately misinterpreting it to push your agenda.

Either the metaphor has already been twisted, or its simply being deliberately misused to push an agenda.

If its being deliberately misused, I guess you can argue that its not being “twisted” by technical definition, but to pretend like people who understand how its being used are deliberately misinterpreting it is a level of intellectual dishonesty thats pretty bad.

Either you know what you are doing, or you are so dumb you dont get it…I could try to give you the benefit of the doubt, but im not sure I know which is better tbh.

Its a metaphor, it isnt literal

You dont say?

Oh my god. This thread is infuriating.

People calling your bullshit would be pretty infuriating if you are used to just shouting people down I guess.

The people are the fucking boats the wealthy just own the big ones and the tide is not going to drown everyone in the fucking town that might exist somewhere.

This is the meaning people want you to think they mean.

Its not the meaning they actually mean.

You’re misinterpreting the metaphor.

No, OP is just correctly understanding the part of the metaphor that the people with boats don’t want you to look at.

There isno separate class of boatless people in the metaphor,

That the person making the statement care about

the boats are the people.

The boats are owned by the very wealthy

A person is not allowed to constantly block another person either, and refuse to stop even when police order it?

She didn’t tho. A person would simply have walked around her, she is allowed to stand on the sidewalk and not move.

Like Hegseth has literally no clue who he is dealing with. The people who he acts like this will discourage, all it will do is make happier to jump at the chance to have the same thing happen to them. He’s going to make the best recruitment tool for these terror organizations.

I don’t think its accurate to say that Hegseth doesn’t know what he is doing.

Making the execution public is on purpose, so the question is what purpose does it serve.

1. The most obvious seems to be about ego, and being a “tough guy” Hegseth (and Trump) are obsessed with being seen as strong men, and they think a public execution makes them seem tough

2. Terror, the next most obvious is that this is a part of the regimes ongoing terrorism campaign against Americans. Hegseth (and republicans in general) are telling people that they will find and execute anybody they think is an enemy.

“Speaking to Real America’s Voice, Hegseth made clear that the decision was deliberate. “We’re gonna make sure that people are able to watch it, that it’s public, because people need to understand that there’s serious consequences for these types of things,” he said.”

3. Desensitization seems to be next. The constant ramping up of violence, and the political celebration of violence is a pretty deliberate attempt to make government run violence a normal part of life.

4. Precedent is probably on this list. Now that the Regime can publicly execute people for terrorism, they can publicly execute anybody. They have already said that anybody who is against fascism is a terrorist, and they already have assaulted, imprisoned and killed people for it. Now they are setting a precedent that they can do it legally.

5. Pissing off Muslims and making more enemies is probably here too. The regime needs people to blame atrocities on, when Trump nukes Los Angeles, he is going to want to blame it on “extremists.” It fuels his forever war, and gives him an unlimited supply of support from people that don’t look too hard. This seems to be rather low on the list, since the regime already lies about everything, and lying about muslim terrorists is probably easier than telling the truth about muslim terrorists, but anything to cloud the waters is probably a bonus.

I’m not going to apologize for American imperialism, but will point out that its benevolent compared to Japanese empire.

You do realize that this is literally American Imperialism apologetics?

Formally, the “But X was worse” apologetic argument is called the Fallacy of relative privation, less formally its called the “not as bad as argument” or “appeal to worse problems”, and informally (but most popularly) its known as whataboutism.

And its a very well known apologetic tactic.

Saying that you aren’t going to apologize for something, then using whataboutism is roughly akin to saying “im not a christian, but Jesus Christ is God”

It may not be your intent to apologize for American Imperialism, but that is more or less exactly what you are doing here.

If your goal is really to not apologize for American Imperialism, you need to learn and avoid the most common apologetics tactics because saying “I dont wanna do X” followed immediately by doing X just makes you sound either disingenuous or ignorant.

(Yes, the Japanese terrorism campaign in WWII was awful, but whataboutism isnt the way to bring it up).

This one was referring specifically to Nick Shirley.

There’s a bully market on YouTube now?

Mostly for Republicans. Punching down is basically all they find funny.

Or this kid thought there should be, not comprehending the legal problems involved with being on vid harassing people?

I mean, a Nazi went around harassing preschools and illegally trying to force his way inside, and Republicans made him wealthy and famous for it.

But then they cant give you a bunch of bad information and pretend like its accurate.

Edit: I should be more specific.

But then the techbros can’t feed you a bunch of propaganda and pretend like its good information.

Its sad that when we got a new tool, that can actually be really useful for certain people (like people with vision impairment) the best we can do is immediately use it for sex crimes.

You still trying to pretend like this is an argument?

well, you do you I guess.

You went from funny to sad at this point tho.

Not really an argument tbh. That would require you to have some point to make, even if you where arguing in bad faith, at least it would then be an “argument” of sorts.

But watching you indulge your public humiliation kink has been entertaining.

Its like watching a train wreck, but I don’t like watching train wrecks because of all the pain and suffering from people who didn’t volunteer. Here I get to watch a train wreck, but I know you volunteered for it.

Republicans are out literally killing people for not being fascist enough…

Man, you just cant help embarrassing yourself in public can you?

All to defend a serial child rapist.

So that’s a no then.

I think that more or less says everything about you that you needed to say

So you think its fine that he is massively corrupt, its fine he is a serial child rapist.

Is there anything Trump can do you wont defend?

Sorry, worlds most corrupt serial child rapist

This is a terrible tragedy and we won’t know what truly happened until the NTSB releases their report.

Given how much support Bezos gave to the Worlds most corrupt president, I doubt we will be able to trust the NTSB report tbh.

Nazis will