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Cultural Genocide is not equal to full on literal israel style delete everyone you don’t like.

Not what I was saying. I was saying that the same voices that say a “cultural genocide” is happening in China, are saying no genocide (not cultural, but the actual extermination of people) is happening in Palestine.

Altering appearances of mosques to make them appear Chinese is an incredibly visually obvious step to slow-boiling the frog.

Or you know, altering the building in a way it doesn’t crash on its worshipers i.e. renovating.

Sinicization involves aligning religion to Chinese culture, and can also extend to adherence to the nation’s political ideology and rules.

Like any fucking religion has to adhere to their host country. Basically it means if your interpretation of Islam is some radical shit where go stab random ass people you can get lost like they did with the western backed ETIM (Based)

Also you seem to have a very narrow understanding of culture. You haven’t addressed even how the language and cultural practices aren’t banned. Slow boiling the frog my ass

Semantics are important with words like “imperialism”, “capitalism” and other isms.

Xinjiang so I linked him this damning compilation.

Xinjiang has 1 mosque per ~500 Muslims and one of the highest densities with 25k mosques total

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mosques_in_China

Your (western) article makes an “analysis of 2,312 mosques once featuring Islamic architecture shows that three-quarters have been modified or destroyed since 2018.”

Which 1) is not that many compares to the total amount. 2) Has an interest in focussing on “modified” (i.e. renovated) and destroyed ones to make the 3/4 figure 3) apparently has access to that data, but refuses to list the total amount of destroyed ones.

Also cultural genocide is when Uyghur is an official languages and also used publicly everywhere. Cultural genocide is when you can freely practice your religion everywhere. Cultural genocide is when all Muslim majority visited the region and had no complaints. Apparently genocide on Muslims is not happening in Palestine (said by the same voices that do say it’s happening in China)

You might want to consider the context a bit (also with western sources): https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang

Your statement about China not having a financialist capital class seemed slightly out of touch so I provided you with examples of some Chinese capital class

I seems you have no clue what the difference between an industrial capitalist and a finacial capitalist is, because you provided not a example of finacial capitalists existing. You just showed me an example of a industrial/realestate capitalist eating shit. Not so much in cahoots after all then ,right? Not like the CPC declared the “3 red lines” in order to mitigate the bubble forming, not like there’s a 95% homeowner ship rate in china already and it’s just speculators eating shit, not like Asianometry is a very informed lib viewing the deliberate crash from a liberal perspective, right?

China’s banks are nationalized. When was theast time you heare about Jack Ma, who wanted to ascend to be a financial capitalist by circumventing finance laws with ANT pay?

Communism is when not billionaires. The more Billionaires you have to less communism it is.

See, what the CPC is doing is not communism. It’s market socialism, or SWCC to be more accurate, which is not without it’s contradictions. Communism cannot exist when Capitalism and Imperialism exists.

When you write stuff like:

instead of greed being innate to humans

Muh human nature

Or

As for the imperialism I only hear the same argument as for Western imperialism: someone drew lines on a map 200 years ago

I know for a fact you haven’t read theory and don’t want to be talking to you until you haven’t done your homework.

Read more theory otherwise you sound like a kid like you do now.

China most definitely has billionaires in cahoots with the government

Imperialism is when billionaires. The more billionaires you have the imperialister it is

Also https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/

I’ve had two discussions with users about the Uyghur camps which were not able to address the base of my concerns.

Sounds like you were concern trolling, because the burden of proof is on the accuser

You might wanna work on your reading comprehension if that is what you get from Engels text

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm

Cope lol

their support for other imperialist superpowers like Russia and China

I wonder what definition of imperialism you’re using. China doesn’t have a financial capitalist class which influences it’s government to seek foreign markets (i.e. overthrow foreign governments to privatize their state assets for the financial capitalist class to buy up)

Because if America bad Russia and China good is an easy train of thought.

It may seem to lib outside observers like that

But users there moreso question whether certain atrocities happened. They’re not saying ‘yeah the CCP is currently Genociding Uyghurs in concentration camps. but you have to vote for Xi Jingping to save Democracy’.

Tell me you haven’t lurked there without having told me you having lurked there and talking out of your ass.

This isn’t accurate, they were very active in brigandine other federations, hitting random threads on .world for instance with hundreds of reply comments drowning out anything that may be a tiny bit critical of china or Russia. Or pro west.

Have you considered that their users were just browsing the front page and what you’re describing is just the nature of lemmy and how federation works?

There wereultiple cross-posts daily pointing to specific threads posted on hexbear to organize brigading.

You’re likely referring to the_dunk_tank which is a community that encourages bullying homophobia, transphobia, fascists and liberale (pretty based imo)

Are you just looking for something to get angry at or did you momentarily turn your brain off? Ssm’s comment clearly can be read sarcastic seeing the votes, which changes it’s meaning quite a bit. Dessalines is right to for ask for clarification before swinging the hammer.

Thanks to your valuable contribution to the discussion

why would be a fascist propaganda if they were the ones making agreements with the fascists?

Because fascists like yourself like to share this without the proper context to paint the Soviets in a bad light, when in fact it was them almost alone stoping the Holocaust.

maybe yes, maybe not, the love for genocide was mutual tho

I like how the article you shared says

Scholars continue to debate whether the human-made Soviet famine was a central act in a campaign of genocide,[159] or a tragic byproduct of rapid Soviet industrialization and the collectivization of agriculture.[76][51][17][52] Whether the Holodomor is a genocide is a significant and contentious issue in modern politics.

If a military defeat is necessary to create revolutionary conditions, is it not then in the best interest of the working class in each imperialist power for the other to win,

Yes?

and does that not then put the working class in each imperialist power at odds with one another?

Yes I would like the war to end asap and not to see Ukraines working class be forced into the meat grider to fight the imperialists fight…

Don’t you believe in internationalism? Solidarity?

Yes?

How many hundreds of thousands of lives does it cost to create revolutionary conditions, and how can you be so arrogant as to cheer while they’re fed into the meatgrinder, believing with such certainty that it means you’ll get your chance at revolution?

That’s such a perverted misrepresentation of material reality I’m not even sure where to begin. 1) Analysis does not mean justification. That’s your interpretation of it. 2) where am I cheering it on? You make it sound like I endorse it when in fact it’s NATO and it’s proponents 3) heightend contradictions improve condition for revolution is a basic historical fact…

Sorry, I was under the impression you were speaking in favor of NATO expansion and think that while the US is bad, it’s emdevours in Ukraine are just (this time).

Also “critical support” for what, Russian imperialism? Why does Russian imperialism deserve “critical support” while western imperialism deserves direct opposition?

Revolutionary defeatism

Recognizing that yes, Putin’s Russia is a bourgeois state with highly questionable rights for sexual minorities and a husk of its former Soviet glory, its re-nationalized industries are a target for the US imperialist emdevours ripe to be privatized again. (You can see how the NATO supports racist nawalny,.but not the largest opposition force in Russia instead, etc.)

To understand the geopolitical context of the NATO proxy war in Ukraine against Russia it helps to watch the Mearsheimer lecture on it (hardly Russian propaganda)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4

Also Ben Norton gives a solid breakdown here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhajzlhcgSk

So does “tankie” and “woke.”

Could you kindly defone that for me?

You called me a liberal

Where? Lol funny how you get that feeling I talked about you

thought it would be obvious I was mocking you by repeating the viewpoint you expressed without the air of pretentiousness that you surround it with, but I guess I was the stupid one for thinking you were capable of recognizing sarcasm.

I see you’re like arguing with strawmen in your head

Also “critical support” for what, Russian imperialism? Why does Russian imperialism deserve “critical support” while western imperialism deserves direct opposition?

That’s what I’m asking you dumbass lol why can you lend western imperialism critical support and not to Russia? Maybe figure out the term and how it’s defined before speaking on it?

Can you kindly contextualize the MIC and it’s interest in NATO, Mearsheimer (a foreign policy hawk that loves war) saying its NATO agression, Biden joking in the 90s and knowing full well what NATO east expansion would mean, Putin going from friend to foe, Russia’s economy after the fall of the SU until now?

outright military invasion, is somehow not imperialist

Imperialism is when military intervention. The more militarier the intervention the imperialister it is

Ah yes, because there are only two options

It’s almost like there isn’t, right? Could it be the “critical” part in “critical support”?

Wow that’s incredible, why don’t we just skip waiting for the imperialists to do it and carry out the genocide ourselves.

Your brain is melting wtf are you even saying?

Unlike “Tankie” and “woke”, “lib” does in deed have a definition.