Can someone explain what the hell this whole situation is? I didn’t really even know what tesseract even was before this happened.

It’s badly phrased but I think that “workers democratically control the means of production” translates to “workers own the means of production”.

So I think you are ranting over nothing.

As for worker co-ops in capitalist countries I would argue that those are indeed bubbles of socialism within a broader capitalist system. Just like you can have communes inside a capitalist country. Have you heard of socialist market economy or economic democracy?

I don’t think this is a good example of this idea as everything the blue character says is fairly obviously propaganda. They should choose something that’s actually fairly believable if they want to make this point.

There has not to my knowledge ever been a mass produced analog console playing analog games.

CDs and DVDs are digital. Game cartridges are digital. I am not sure you know what digital means.

AI generated images are something you can do on a gaming GPU at home. It’s not really that demanding compared to frontier LLMs and agents.

There was no significant movement against datacenters until recently. You all still rely on datacenters everyday for posting on places like this or just using the internet in general. So this does look very manufactured and people were pointing this out even before OpenAI started talking about it. People didn’t really seem to hate AI before the past few years either.

I don’t think in the USA the leaders or the people are really spineless. You elected Donald Trump twice. The time he lost the people threw a terrorist act of insurrection. Those are not spineless things. Just because the result is not what you wanted doesn’t make it spineless. In fact it’s pretty much the opposite.

I don’t think that the everyday people in my country are spineless. Our leaders on the other hand…

Have you heard of Lizz Truss who lasted for less time than a piece of lettuce? Now that’s what I call spineless.

In my country weed isn’t legal. I get what you are saying though. NIMBYs are a problem everywhere. Which makes me wonder why you are saying that these data centers can build wherever. Surely if democracy and local government works as well as you say it does they wouldn’t be able to build anything that big without the say so of the local people, no?

I don’t think this is quite how the world works. The reason people need to work to survive is because we can’t survive if everyone stopped working. We have to make people work under threat of homelessness because if we didn’t there is too great a risk they wouldn’t work at all and that would eventually mean the collapse of society. How many people would quit their job tomorrow if they won the lottery? Sure some would find work doing something they preferred, but not all of them, and often the thing they prefer doing is not the job that actually needs doing the most. If it’s something they even are good at. Loads of people would love to be an actor, but how many actually have both the talent and the skills needed to do that?

In a society where most people actually don’t need to work because most work can be handled by machines without significant negative consequences things would change to be very different. People like to think rich people or politicians or kings control the world by themselves but the reality is there are always limits on what they can actually do. If you dick around too much even in an absolute monarchy you will be overthrown one way or another. Typically by your own military, underlings, or family, sometimes by revolution or insurrection. The same thing applies today to liberal democracy. In fact it applies even more so. Anyone who tried to kill off the working class as a whole would find themselves very quickly dead or dethroned one way or another.

If you need the consent to build them then how are they being forced on communities without consent? You are contradicting yourself now.

Thinking democracy actually works and the representatives actually care about the people is very wishful thinking. From my experience they don’t and they haven’t for a long time.

I wouldn’t know. I haven’t been to a town council meeting before.

Would a town council even be involved in an industrial zone which might not even be part of a town?

What do you think the social contract is?

Yeah you need the consent of the council for planning permission. Not the consent of the individual people.

I am not a libertarian either, but whatever.

Most datacenters are not in urban communities they are in industrial zones.

You also don’t need the consent of other people to build things on land you own. Get out of here with this shit.

No? It’s powered by wind energy. Wind is created by heat from the sun. If you capture and use the energy or not it still stays in earth’s system. This is about as green as computing can get.

You can also just use air

I never said it fixed the issue of generating heat. Heat isn’t really a major problem as far as I am concerned. I thought we were talking about water use.