What do you think the Azov Nazis were up to in Donbass?
They were fighting russian military.
Do you think that banning the Russian language (which is many Ukrainians’ first language) in Ukraine is a good idea?
It wasn’t banned.
Try reading something that’s not russian propaganda for a change.
Your gaslighting is bad and you should feel bad
Where gaslighting?
Are you gaslighting me right now?
You don’t need to commit a genocide to handle a terrorist group
Agreed. Never said otherwise.
There are people who have rescinded their support for Israel after initially giving it to them after the 7th of October
While this is correct, how is it relevant to the discussion?
To paraphrase myself from other comments: (…)
Which parts of “UN should” did you not understand?
Like, what are you even arguing here? Which specific points I made you disagree with and how?
Yeah, narrow down the 3000 years of history to what’s been happening in the last 30, that’s a grown-up thing to do. :)
I also would love to hear where in my posts did you see any defence of genocide, because right now it seems like you’re just imagining things and then getting angry at them.
Why don’t you just admit you want to whatabout into justifying genocide?
Yeah, it might look like that if you’re stupid or also a fundamentalist.
My position is that both Israelis and Palestinians have a right to live there and since they can’t figure it out on their own, the UN should have the capacity to step in, provide a buffer, and kick out the settler criminals, ideally hang Netanyahu and whoever is in charge of Hamas, and then ensure both sides sit separated for as long as it takes for Palestine to normalise as a country.
You, I take it, are of the opinion that since Israel is the stronger of the two, Hamas has the right to murder them indiscriminately in their “fight for freedom”?
Israel is murdering children daily, intentionally. Please explain how that is complex?
Reducing the whole problem to “Israel is murdering kids” is, ironically, childish. Do you think that adults are not suffering over there? Does kids dying diminish the deaths of adults? I don’t think it does.
Fixing that problem is not “just stop murdering children”.
Should Israel respect the ceasefire and let humanitarian aid in? Absolutely true, unequivocally. Does that have any bearing on the fact that fundamentalists of the region (on both sides) will still do everything in their power to cause chaos and death, and further divide between the people living in the region? Also absolutely true.
And that’s why this is a “complex political situation”. Because fundamentalists in Israel want to eliminate Palestinians, fundamentalists in Palestine want to eliminate Israel, russia and Iran are funding the latter to sow chaos and destabilise the region, Saudis and the West are supporting the former because Israel is the stronger power and overall more stable (if nothing else: it had a couple of elections since 2006), and there’s probably a billion other elements at play here.
Wrong. Israel is the only one with the capacity to do it successfully.
(and let’s ignore here for a moment the fact that “Palestinian Genocide” has been on the tongues of people for at least 30 years, and during that time the population of Gaza has nearly doubled, that’s besides the point right now)
Hamas is absolutely attempting to commit genocide, and if given the tools, they wouldn’t bat an eyelid before pulling the trigger. It just so happens that the best they can do is murder some kids on a concert or fling rockets at crop fields and cities.
Turns out, this guy was wrong! It’s not just Twitter, it’s also Lemmy…
I have a firm belief that any form of fundamentalism should be treated like a mental illness. So many things would improve in the world…
Israel won’t let the UN step in. UN buildings, programs, and investigators were some of the first targeted, and the US has veto power within the UN.
I know, it was wishful thinking.
when you bother to look at what they are saying in Israeli social networks, they are not shy about it
Checking social networks is pointless. Hell, check German socials and you’d think that AfD has 99% votes already. Check US networks and it’s a literal civil war. Check Polish socials and half the country is already surrendered to russia.
Too much disinformation for socials to be any source of information.
It’s better to look at what was going on just before the attack - and that is: Netanyahu having around 30% support and multiple lawsuits being prepared against him, with people protesting on the streets.
Israel also killed the alternatives for Hamas
When was that? I know that Hamas won general elections in 2006 and no other elections have happened in Gaza ever since and, from what you’re saying, it seems that I missed another conflict that happened between then and now, where Fatah was eliminated.
Kids dying is the end product of an extremely complex political situation. What’s difficult for you to understand here?
In your opinion it would’ve been OK for Israel to retaliate if the ratio was closer to 1:1?
Neither side has clean hands
100% true.
But one side sure is hell bent on completely genociding the other
You mean the side that had the “obliteration” of the other side mentioned multiple times in its charter?
Recognize that a genocide is taking place and is killing tens of thousands of innocents.
Agreed. The UN should’ve stepped in a long time ago and provided much needed security.
How about we condemn both Hamas AND IDF for their crimes?
I know it’s a very novel approach but I think there might be a method in that madness.
I’d prefer if they were forced to pay royalties for all the work they stole to the people they stole it from. And, like, have someone actually force them to comply. They’d have to hire a Microsoft-sized compliance department just to figure this shit out and track payments.
Of course! ANY kind of fundamentalism!
Vegans who want to kill mass slaughter animals to stop people from eating meat (yes, that’s a thing…), high level Scientologists, mega-church pastors and their brain-washed flock - any and all kind of fundamentalism needs to be treated!
If this is true, who is the real enemy of Israel?
Fundamentalists.
Netanyahu is from a fundamentalist right-wing faction in Israel. They’re basically the “Nazis but Israeli”.
Hamas and Hezbollah are religious fundamentalist groups that preach destruction of Israel.
For that matter - fundamentalists are the common enemy of everybody everywhere. Fundamentalism should be considered a mental illness and treated in lockdown.
There’s a bit more nuance, but yes, that’s exactly it.
The nuance being: The Palestinian Authority (West Bank leadership) was this close to reaching a well designed agreement with Israel, which would bring peace to that part of the region.
Hamas in Gaza saw that as a threat to their authoritarian rule because if West Bank can have peace, why does Gaza have to still fully oppose Israel?
Iran saw that as a threat because Israel that’s not hitting and getting hit on all sides is an Israel that can become even stronger and fully dominate the region.
Netanyahu and his clique saw that as a threat because peace with Palestine would mean that Israeli people start looking into his corruption and mismanagement.
So, Iran threw a bunch of money and intel at Hamas, Hamas planned the October 7th attack, Netanyahu ordered the military to allow the attack to happen. Everybody’s happy. Except the civilians, of course, but let’s not get civilian lives getting in the way of politics, right?
In other news: things dipped in water become wet!
He was deemed not guilty in every single court case that wasn’t thrown out, and the majority of the cases were thrown out.
Considering Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein were convicted at roughly the same time, and how both of them had much higher wealth/influence than Spacey, there’s a high chance that Spacey is actually innocent if he went free.
Of course you do!
For example: Kevin Spacey was accused of A LOT of heinous shit and in at least one case the charges were so ridiculous that HE got awarded recompense by the court.
Then you have THIS. Just in 2010s you have 28 cases of people wrongfully convicted (convicted - they went to prison while being innocent)!
What @Caves_of_steel@lemmy.world said, but also: there is no language ban. You’re not getting arrested for speaking russian anywhere in Ukraine, including Kyiv.
What’s banned is russian work news, films, shows, books, etc. And, again, that’s only in Kyiv.