Hamas overwhelmed Israel’s border in October with a coordinated, large-scale maneuver before committing atrocities. Now, it acts as a guerrilla force, its fighters often disguised as civilians.
Actually he can do both. The argument that Israeli forces have to go into these areas due to some immediate, imminent threat is not credible.
There’s no reasonable way to draw out an insurgent force embedded in a civilian population, and insurgents will always use that to their advantage. The invading force will always create a new generation of insurgents as they are forced to abuse the general population to root out their enemy.
I do understand your frustration if you support Israel in this conflict, because the IDF going in paints them very much the bad guy. But as an american whose country went in and rooted around both Iraq and Afghanistan, we were the bad guy, we created new generations of terrorists in our wars, and Israel is doing the same.
Its not an imminent thread. Its like people forgot theres a terrorist organization there holding 120 israeli women, children, babies, etc… and not giving them back. Somehow Israel is going to get them back eventually. The cost of Palestinians lives is solely determined by who is holding those hostages.
“Over the last month we have witnessed a significant spike in Israel’s use of administrative detention – detention without charge or trial that can be renewed indefinitely – which was already at a 20-year high before the latest escalation in hostilities on 7 October. Administrative detention is one of the key tools through which Israel has enforced its system of apartheid against Palestinians. Testimonies and video evidence also point to numerous incidents of torture and other ill-treatment by Israeli forces including severe beatings and deliberate humiliation of Palestinians who are detained in dire conditions,” said Heba Morayef, Regional Director for the Middle East and North Africa.
“The summary killings and hostage-taking by Hamas and other armed groups on 7 October are war crimes and must be condemned as such, but Israeli authorities must not use these attacks to justify their own unlawful attacks and collective punishment of civilians in the besieged Gaza Strip and the use of torture, arbitrary detention and other violations of the rights of Palestinian prisoners. The prohibition against torture can never be suspended or derogated from, including – and especially – at times like these.”
The important thing to keep in mind is that the conflict did not start on Octover 7th and the whole situation was escalating. Yes, Hamas committed war crimes and that is terrible, but that does not justify all of the war crimes that Israel has committed onto Hamas.
If you’re going to go that BS route then own up to the fact that Palestine et al started the conflict within a week after the formation of Israel. It’s been random acts of terrorism with periodic legit wars for almost a century since.
Hamas etc needs to start understanding Israel doesn’t care about justifying war crimes. They want their hostages back and for this BS to end… completely. If that means they pile up martyrs until the count is so high there are no more future martyrs to find then they are okay with that. Anyone that truly wants to avoid that outcome needs to call for an end to this Jihad nonsense, for the release of the hostages, and for UN intervention to force a 2 state solution that neither party is happy with but can tolerate because otherwise it will be a 1 state solution that Israel is happy with and everyone else is ashamed of.
Them fighting back by any means does not contradict they Israel today has gone from merely oppressing and murdering innocent people on a whim to actively trying to destroy every bit of medical aid, sanitation, food supply, etc to wipe out the Palestinian people.
No, it doesn’t contradict anything about the genocide.
Israel didn’t need to completely destroy infrastructure and also deny foreign aid because of how Hamas fights. How Hamas fights doesn’t justify the IDF killing reporters, or the unarmed children being gunned in the streets, or strapping injured Palestinians to hoods, or atracking aid workers that the IDF knew were coming through, or the most likely true reports of torture. We know all of this is intentional by how Israel acts, and they are using the excuse that civilian casualties are happening despite the IDF being careful, but they keep killing dozens of civilians and getting caught lying about things which is why they are not trustworthy.
Plus Israeli senior leadership has made and keeps making statements consistent with genocide that align with their actions. All of that would still be genocide even if Hamas fought some other ‘acceptsble’ way.
So let me ask you this,
Do you think Abdalla Aljamali the “innocent” journalist would still be dead and all his children and family given they wouldnt have held Israeli hostages IN THEIR FUCKING HOUSE with their children separated only by carpet and sheets?
I think he would have, and all his family and children would have lived today.
The attack on the central kitchen convoy was a horrible mistake. The government itself said they were sorry. I personally feel ashamed of that incident.
Not sure about the first one.
I dont see though how these two contradict what I said or take any blame from hammas fighting within civilian population on purpuse. It can indeed explain that because of how hammas fights the IDF is on the edge and mistakes are bound to happen.
I hope you do understand that all you just said totally contradicts the genocide narrative , right?
You can say its not a bad thing, but then you cant complain about the high civilian casualties.
Actually he can do both. The argument that Israeli forces have to go into these areas due to some immediate, imminent threat is not credible.
There’s no reasonable way to draw out an insurgent force embedded in a civilian population, and insurgents will always use that to their advantage. The invading force will always create a new generation of insurgents as they are forced to abuse the general population to root out their enemy.
I do understand your frustration if you support Israel in this conflict, because the IDF going in paints them very much the bad guy. But as an american whose country went in and rooted around both Iraq and Afghanistan, we were the bad guy, we created new generations of terrorists in our wars, and Israel is doing the same.
Its not an imminent thread. Its like people forgot theres a terrorist organization there holding 120 israeli women, children, babies, etc… and not giving them back. Somehow Israel is going to get them back eventually. The cost of Palestinians lives is solely determined by who is holding those hostages.
Hostages you say?
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/
The important thing to keep in mind is that the conflict did not start on Octover 7th and the whole situation was escalating. Yes, Hamas committed war crimes and that is terrible, but that does not justify all of the war crimes that Israel has committed onto Hamas.
If you’re going to go that BS route then own up to the fact that Palestine et al started the conflict within a week after the formation of Israel. It’s been random acts of terrorism with periodic legit wars for almost a century since.
Hamas etc needs to start understanding Israel doesn’t care about justifying war crimes. They want their hostages back and for this BS to end… completely. If that means they pile up martyrs until the count is so high there are no more future martyrs to find then they are okay with that. Anyone that truly wants to avoid that outcome needs to call for an end to this Jihad nonsense, for the release of the hostages, and for UN intervention to force a 2 state solution that neither party is happy with but can tolerate because otherwise it will be a 1 state solution that Israel is happy with and everyone else is ashamed of.
Palestine started the conflict when Israel was founded by taking land in Palestine by force.
That isn’t the great point you might think that it is.
No it doesn’t?
Them fighting back by any means does not contradict they Israel today has gone from merely oppressing and murdering innocent people on a whim to actively trying to destroy every bit of medical aid, sanitation, food supply, etc to wipe out the Palestinian people.
No, it doesn’t contradict anything about the genocide.
Israel didn’t need to completely destroy infrastructure and also deny foreign aid because of how Hamas fights. How Hamas fights doesn’t justify the IDF killing reporters, or the unarmed children being gunned in the streets, or strapping injured Palestinians to hoods, or atracking aid workers that the IDF knew were coming through, or the most likely true reports of torture. We know all of this is intentional by how Israel acts, and they are using the excuse that civilian casualties are happening despite the IDF being careful, but they keep killing dozens of civilians and getting caught lying about things which is why they are not trustworthy.
Plus Israeli senior leadership has made and keeps making statements consistent with genocide that align with their actions. All of that would still be genocide even if Hamas fought some other ‘acceptsble’ way.
So let me ask you this, Do you think Abdalla Aljamali the “innocent” journalist would still be dead and all his children and family given they wouldnt have held Israeli hostages IN THEIR FUCKING HOUSE with their children separated only by carpet and sheets?
I think he would have, and all his family and children would have lived today.
Now explain away the IDF killing Issam Abdallah who was standing by a news van in Jordan.
Or the attack on the World Central Kitchen aid convoy.
Guess they shouldn’t have had hostages in their homes!
The attack on the central kitchen convoy was a horrible mistake. The government itself said they were sorry. I personally feel ashamed of that incident.
Not sure about the first one.
I dont see though how these two contradict what I said or take any blame from hammas fighting within civilian population on purpuse. It can indeed explain that because of how hammas fights the IDF is on the edge and mistakes are bound to happen.
They said the same thing about USS Liberty.