PBS/CNN stream:
biden sounds like shit, but hes got all the right words. hes made a few mistakes hes quickly fixed, but no giant mistakes and lots of details.
trump is doin what trump does… throw a wall of lies loudly
Ok. Now how do I unwatch it?
Is there a video on how to unsee the debate?
What even is the point of this debate? They’ve both had a term in office. We know how both of them actually govern the actual country. What can this debate possibly convey that the past 8 years of governance hasn’t?
Holy shit this is hard to watch.
I hear you. All you hear about is how incoherent Biden is… Bullshit. He comes across as articulate and knowledgeable here. Trump hasn’t said anything at all yet. He just keeps spouting idiotic generalizations about how bad the state of the country is without any examples or proof.
I hear you. All you hear about is how incoherent Biden is… Bullshit
…
During a response to a question about abortion, Biden mentioned, seemingly out of nowhere, a young woman who was recently murdered by an immigrant — an apparent reference to a 12-year-old Houston girl who was strangled to death, allegedly by two Venezuelan men who entered the country illegally.
The connection to abortion was unclear.
Q: Will you accept the results of the election, regardless of who wins?
Trump: “…and all they want to talk about is a relatively small number of people who went to the capitol”
So far, he’s twice refused to answer the question.
Trump once again confirmed support for Isreal accelerating the genocide - if you think there’s no difference between their policy on Palestine, you’re arguing in bad faith.
https://apnews.com/live/presidential-debate-2024-updates
The conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians is an especially vulnerable spot for Biden. With only 26% of U.S. adults approving of his handling of the issue, it’s well below his overall approval rating (39%). In the latest AP-NORC poll, nearly 6 in 10 Democrats disapprove of his approach to the conflict
trump is worse than Biden, and only 26% agree with Biden…
You don’t think it’s worth talking about when a foreign country buys off both parties in a two party system so that no matter what happens their interests (in this case a genocide) would be protected and funded?
You don’t see how this could be happening to a lesser extent in other areas like banking, healthcare, employment, and even social issues that religions care about?
Carl’s Jr and Hardee’s are also two different things, but two things don’t have to be absolutely identical to be compared to each other. If they were, we wouldn’t be comparing them because they would be the same.
I think that’s what you’re missing and why you’re accusing people of arguing in bad faith.
You just don’t understand the point they’re making, but you think you do.
Oh, I absolutely agree they’re both pretty awful, but one is significantly worse. I fully support putting pressure on both candidates to be better, but the American political system means one of these people will be the next president and if you care about Palestinians its important to make sure that’s Biden.
Oh, I absolutely agree they’re both pretty awful, but one is significantly worse.
We’re talking about genocide tho…
We’re asking people to support “some” genocide, and that “some” is actually quite a fucking lot of genocide.
And we’re not just asking Americans to overlook that, we’re asking young Dem voters to overlook it. A demographic who historically doesn’t like that shit going back for pretty much the entire existence of the party.
It makes absolutely zero sense except if the party as an entity wants to be as conservative as possible so when the nation has such a serious risk as trump, instead of the easy win of a candidate dem.voters want, we get someone significantly more conservative than the party, 82 years old, and uncharismatic.
It’s like someone at the DNC bet on winning, but not to cover the spread. So they’re trying to win by the smallest majority possible.
Our system of government means one of these two assholes will be the next president. Do you want three helpings of genocide or two? It’s going to be one of those outcomes so do you have the courage to say less genocide is desirable?
You’re acting like convincing me means anything…
Biden needs to convince 10s of millions of people. Politicians like Obama and Bill Clinton could do that, but they were charismatic in addition to being the lesser of two evils.
It just makes zero sense to be running Biden.
If all that matters is beating trump, why force a candidate that supports genocide? Why is it ok for Dems if trump is worse? Why not at least someone that people like and is a good speaker?
Like, you understand someone slightly less bad as trump is still pretty fucking bad?
Where do you draw the line if you’ll support “some” genocide?
If it was trump VS Mitch McConnell who would you vote for? Would you finally realize it’s the parties that need voters, not voters that need parties?
Here’s the bad news - the primary is over. Administratively, if we switched Democratic candidates now there would be immense voter confusion and democrats would end up splitting the vote between the two.
The only way out of this is if Biden literally dies before the election, and I think that’s highly unlikely.
In terms of supporting genocide, America is going to genocide and part of being a responsible voter is making the least awful choice.
Here’s the bad news - the primary is over
It’s not tho.
The convention is the end of the primary.
Biden appointed Jamie Harrison to the head of the DNC.
And Jamie Harrison set the convention for mid August.
If you don’t like it, go complain to them. But they picked when the primary was over.
…with a stiff cocktail.
Very stiff cocktail.
There are enough stiffs on the stage.
I could only make it like five minutes, but this is a great summary by the AP:
In first half hour of debate, a raspy Biden has delivered rambling answers that sometimes trail off as he defends his policies and record.
Trump has countered with falsehoods on issues including the economy, abortion and NATO members’ defense spending.
The two have also exchanged deeply personal attacks.
https://apnews.com/live/presidential-debate-2024-updates
Edit:
Biden was talking about “saving Israel” too. Despite the vast majority pissed at how he’s handling it.
The conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians is an especially vulnerable spot for Biden. With only 26% of U.S. adults approving of his handling of the issue, it’s well below his overall approval rating (39%). In the latest AP-NORC poll, nearly 6 in 10 Democrats disapprove of his approach to the conflict.
He’s completely out of touch with what voters want. I have zero idea how anyone could think risking trump as president is worth giving an 82 year old we don’t want another term in office.
Why are we running someone Dem voters actually want?
That 26% of people that approve of what he’s doing with Israel is all US adults, including trump supporters. It’s not even 26% of Dems…
I’m downvoting this in the hopes that nobody watches this shit show.
So y’all downvoting me really think that Biden is doing a good job? Seriously??
Beside preferring Trump or Biden, what the fuck Americans have with cadaver like people?, these both fuckers should be retired since like 10 years ago not kidding…
Biden and Trump are no Andrew Tate, amirite? Well, Trump is not too far off.
Maybe Andrew Tate would be a better president than both of these old fucks…
Hookers and Bugattis for everyone…
We don’t need yet another rapist candidate.
Idk what’s better, if a young rapist, an old rapist or a senile dement… LMAO…
Of the three? The senile old man hands down.
Especially with how insane both the rapists are.
I believe you have never know someone with dementia, rapists are definetly bad also, people with dementia live in a nonexistent reality and are incapable of rationalization. TBH all three options are shitty options the longer you live the more you realize American polítics are a fucking joke…
My thing is… Biden can be a complete fucking train wreck but he’s going to be surrounded by relatively sane people. Trump would be surrounded by Stephen Miller and other fucking clowns - Tate would probably pull Peterson or some other asshat into his cabinet.
If you think Tate gives a shit about the 99%, you’re even more out of touch than these two geezers.
I think none of these three give a fuck about the 99%…
