• Jayjader@jlai.lu
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    The French political system, casually referred to as the “Republic of Friends,”

    Where does the author get this? I’m French and have never heard of our system called as such - especially not by a French person.

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    If you cant handle a democratic election not going your way, maybe you dont belong in politics.

    And maybe you shouldve curbed immigration instead of making it a wedge issue, and only having the far right party be for curbing it. Just a thought

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        Or the everyone is just ignoring the issue.

        Rhetorically because this conversation is going to go nowhere. What would need to happen for immigration to actually be an issue?

        Because people that tell us low wages (not GDP increase but working class wages for locals), high house prices, and other things people mention like losing culture and crime increasing isn’t an issue. So what would it take for it to be an issue.

        A lot of people, usually the rich that own businesses and land and can make money off immigration, say it’s not a problem. I think rather than choosing a side and ignoring the issues people should wonder what would be a bad outcome then looking at things after.

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          The rich making money off immigration isn’t an issue with the immigrants, it’s that we don’t force companies to pay all their workers the same wage, regardless of status. That’s a regulatory problem, not an immigration problem.

          Because people that tell us low wages (not GDP increase but working class wages for locals), high house prices, and other things people mention like losing culture and crime increasing isn’t an issue. So what would it take for it to be an issue.

          None of this is related to immigration. Immigrants aren’t raising housing prices. With crime you have to actually prove that that’s immigrants committing more crimes than Europeans and what kind of crime. They call brown immigrants criminals and rapists here too, and it’s simply not true, they commit crimes at the same rate as citizens.

          You have to understand that this is a pattern we see over, and over throughout history; when fascists want to seize control they blame immigrants for all of socieyies woes. And they do so only with rhetoric or twisted facts, not the truth.

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          Yeah, I know all about that, they use the " brown immigrants are terrorists" in my country too in order to exploit people’s latent racism.

          To have a point you’d have to compare those instances to violence by Europeans against eachother, by being selective you’re feeding a narrative that brown immigrants are more violent than Europeans. That’s already been demonstrated to be false. You’re being manipulated by fascists.

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            Alright, name the 122 terrorist attacks made by Europeans since 2015. Ill wait.

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              So, even if we assume those 122 attacks were committed by immigrants, how does that compare to violent crimes committed by Europeans themselves? 122 incidents over 9 years is remarkably low for a single demographic. How many bad actors is that per event? How many immigrants are there total and how many committed these crimes?

              It’s racist fear mongering.

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                  No ones moving goal posts. Give a ballpark of how many immigrants were involved in those 122 attacks.

                  You’re making the argument that brown immigrants are more dangerous than Europeans and you’re then trying to exclude all types of violent crime except that labeled terror attacks to obfuscate the reality that immigrants are statistically no more dangerous than Europeans themselves. It’s dishonest.

                  Even in terms of terrorism, the majority has historically been committed by domestic groups (ex. nationalists, political extremists, separatists etc.), not immigrants. Again, this is very similar to my own country where domestic terrorism is actually the greater threat than that from immigrants.

  • Wanderer@lemm.ee
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    According to the BBC

    Alongside policies for giving French citizens “national preference” for jobs and housing, they want to cut VAT on energy and allow under-30s to escape income tax.

    existing promises on immigration, crime and insecurity as well as tax cuts to tackle the cost-of-living crisis.

    plans to abolish droit du sol, the right to automatic French citizenship for children born to foreign parents

    Sounds like some good policies no wonder they are getting loads of votes. The reduction in taxes always comes back to bite you and that’s probably a mistake but the lower tax for the youth allowing them to get started in life instead of being in debt is a great idea. I haven’t heard anyone have such a progressive idea.

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      Where do you target your fear mongering if you don’t share a border with scary brown people? Where do you build a wall?

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        You don’t need a wall. Just don’t let people in.

        It’s not fear mongering if it is already happened and people can see first hand the impacts. That’s why people vote the way they do they see the reality of the situation and the current parties are telling them things that are lies.

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          The thing with being in Schengen area is you literally just let people in LMAO. If you don’t check passports of anyone coming in by the Italian border, you don’t get to find out who is an EU citizen and who isn’t.

          Do you even live in EU buddy? Life isn’t as simple as you think it is.

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            The stats I’ve seen have shown that immigrants from Schengen contribute more than average and commit less crime than locals.

            As such on a purely data driven view there is nothing wrong with Schengen. For most people the issues isn’t with movement within the people that have lived in Europe for generations. You know they are European, they have European values and there is a back and forth movement/ different perks. In a way Schengen works the way it was designed and works well.

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      Most young people do not pay income taxes currently, only the wealthy ones. So this reduction would only apply to already rich people.

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        Tax in francs starts at €10,778.

        You think anyone under 30 that earns more than €10,778 is rich. Come on.

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          You clearly do not know how things work in France. We have tons of things fiscally in place that make it so that in practice, you have to earn much more than that to truly pay taxes.

          I don’t have time currenty to enumerate all of that, but I’ll come back to you later if I don’t forget.

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      Debt? What debt are you talking about? You know how taxes work?

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        Young people are more likely to go into debt at the start of their lives. Whether it be for things like rent, buying a car, buying a house, education.

        If taxes are lower they can either have more savings or pay of debt faster.

        Come on it’s not that hard to realise more take home means you have more money. Christ this website is so financially illiterate.

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          Glad to know people taking on 30 year long loans pay slightly lower taxes for a few years, that’s certainly helping a lot. Few because no one’s giving a 20 years old a loan for a house/flat lol so you’re probably closer to 30 when you actually can and do want to settle.

          You might be financially literate, but you’re not human literate if you think this tax reform is anything but catering to the young and non-politicised.

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            The tax break allows you to save. Means you will accumulate a deposit earlier in life, all else being equal.

            What’s wrong with catering to the young? They need help.

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              Because it’s populist crap, obviously. We don’t need MBAs and business school grads to pay lower taxes, quite the opposite. There’s one party proposing to smoothen tax brackets across the board, which would also have a huge impact on the younger, and it’s not Bardella’s.

              This tax cut is also a drop in the ocean compared to what they want to do to the retirement reform, but young people think they will never be old, and the old one sacrifices the youth at every turn so not many actually care this stuff despite the impact.

              Lastly, I’m not sure there’s even a plan for financing such tax cut. That’s why people call it far right populist bullshit. The man did his entire campaign on tiktok and is only where he is because he married into the Le Pen family.

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    How is it France falling to this? Don’t they riot every other month about government bullshit?

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      We went to the streets for months against the new retirement system and they’ve beaten the shit ouf of us. We couldn’t make us heard by a so called democratic and moderate government. Not a big surprise that a lot of people are trying another way. No excuse for them to be fascists assholes. But Macron is carrying an heavy responsibility for the current situation.