“(With) today’s Supreme Court decision on presidential immunity, that fundamentally changed. For all practical purposes, there are virtually no limits on what the president can do. It’s a fundamentally new principle and it’s a dangerous precedent because the power of the office will no longer be constrained by the law even including the supreme court of the United States.”
Throughout his address, Biden underscored the gravity of the moment, emphasizing that the only barrier to the president’s authority now lies in the personal restraint of the officeholder. He warned vehemently against the prospect of Trump returning to power, painting a stark picture of the dangers such an outcome could pose.
“Biden Blasts Supreme Court” could have a whole new meaning after their latest ruling
okay assasinate Trump, you’re legally allowed to do that now
I like how every single one of these comments are blaming Biden and the Democrats for a supreme court ruling that the conservatives and Republicans enacted. How about we put the blame on the people who are actually doing the terrible things?
This is why the Republicans keep winning btw, because they’re united.
Biden no longer has the moral high ground to pretend this would be illegal.
Surpreme Court just literally said he can do whatever he wants. Everything he does is legal.
So use those powers to actually want to “save Democracy” if you believe it’s truly in danger. Or would that make your carrot disappear of forcing people to vote for you?
Words are wind.
Welp he’s just gonna wait till let trump be the first to use it. We are still cooked. 🤡🔫
Biden needs to exercise his expanded rights as President to save America by removing agents from all branches of the government who have been working to undermine America. Congress members, Supreme Court Justices, and Presidential candidates with ties to Russia or far-right nationalists should be removed by any means necessary. We’re essentially at war with Russia and we’ve been allowing foreign agents to work against us from inside our country. Take the gloves off and remove those people, they’re trash people who will do it first if/when they get into power next. They’re pretty clearly broadcasting their plans to turn the US into a dictatorship and the SCOTUS just handed them the power to do it the next time they win an election.
Gotta say i read that to the tune of “there are no cats in america”
Dumbass and spineless Biden and Democrats. The supreme court literally just started that America had a king but this dumbass party would rather take some stupid fucking high road bullshit instead of playing the game to ensure the fascist fuck around and find out.
They don’t even have to resort to assassinations, they could really tell the IRS to audit 501© and remove their status from the churches and bullshit Republican charities, or tell the justice department to focus on domestic terrorism and corruption to fuck over Republican groups and representatives, or tell the FDA to allow the sale of raw milk.
Play the god damn game and be the fucking king if these corrupt justice says there’s a king.
they could really tell the IRS to audit 501© and remove their status from the churches and bullshit Republican charities
That would be juuuuuust about the dumbest thing they could possibly do. It would mobilize gigantic swaths of voters who are heavily invested in rhetoric over fact-checking.
Doing away with Roe mobilized many of those voters who could be considered to be fence sitters towards the left. Removing church tax exemptions would move them right back and it would do NOTHING to solve the problem, because while the actual big offenders are happily USING the hell out of that tax exemption, they’re rich enough that they’ll get along fine without it.
It WOULD hurt a whole lot of TINY churches that employ 1-50 people per church and actually do community work, though. All of those would go away. That’s a LOT of rural food shelves.
I’m largely against the religious tax exemption, but that’s a problem we should worry about AFTER we can replace the nationwide infrastructure we’d be dismantling by doing so with something at least as effective as what’s there now.
It also screws over the many churches or other religious organizations that genuinely do good for their communities
I honestly don’t know why anyone is strategising as if they’re on the same side as dems or any politician. I’m not even convinced we have a common enemy in Trump, because they don’t seem serious about beating him.
The question you should ask when voting is “Who is my preferred enemy?” Biden won’t abuse the carte blanche immunity from criminal prosecution? Great, sounds like he’s the weaker enemy, so vote for him. Force him to keep the position he clearly doesn’t want. Force him to disappoint his base for another four years.
While he’s doing that, get to work building alternatives that meet people’s needs from the bottom up and wean them off of this criminal system, to undermine it and prepare people to thrive as it crumbles.
The great thing about this political theory of change is that it’s the same regardless of who’s in power. It decouples you from the capricious, disempowering shifts of electoral politics.
That is a guaranteed path to fascism.
I’m not gonna say that the chances are good, but if they refuse, and win, and then walk back the changes, maybe fascism can be averted.
If they walk into using these tools and normalise them even more, then when the other party gets the government again, you get a republican fascist, and if the other party never gets the government again, it’s because you got a “democrat” fascist.
Don’t race to the bottom, everyone loses there.
No, you use the fascist power granted by fascists to abuse the fascists who granted it in the first place. Power is the only thing that stops fascists. Start with a few nights in a black site for the justices who thought granting absolute power to the president was OK. If scotus already accepts fascism from their team it’s already too late for your plan to work.
So fascist powers for the fascists, but not for the non-fascists.
Get rid of all thet right now with whatever means IMO.
You can’t beat fascism by becoming fascist.
You’re right, you beat fascism by rooting it out at the source and burning it and salting the ground so it can never take root again. I don’t think those are fascist ideals I think those are just normal moral ones.
What does that even mean though?
Right now all it means for the everyday citizen is shunning people socially. Letting people anguish in their own decisions. We as a society have decided it’s ok to let people rot in the street for the crime of having no support system. So we ignore and shun and show society those views are not ok. Let fascists rot. It’s the only real thing we can do right now other than take strong political stances and close off routes to fascism politically.
This sounds an awful lot like doing nothing
How on earth is it becoming a fascist because you remove pro fascist laws?
That really is some mental gymnastics.
Arbitrarily rewriting laws you don’t like sounds pretty fascist to me.
It’s truly amazing that people apparently don’t understand this.
I think people think of fascism as specifically “murdering minorities” or something rather than a form of autocracy.
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Of course it’s arbitrary.
It doesn’t take much self awareness to realise that having a president pick and choose which SCOTUS rulings they think are ok, is exactly the type of authoritarian autocrat you’re trying to avoid.
Exactly!👍
then walk back the changes
When have the Democrats ever shown us that they’ll do that?
Roe? Voting Rights act? Hell, a Republican had to save ObamaCare.
Democrats aren’t going to save us from FASCISM. The sooner everyone realizes this, the more prepared we’ll be to fight against it.
Well we have a 2 party system, and that ain’t changing. So if not the Democrats, who?
You can vote for Joe Biden while realizing the Democrats won’t save us, I will. We need workers to organize to build an alternative party to Democrats and Republicans. That’s why I don’t shun those that want to vote third party. We’ll never get a third party until we ask for it. The duopoly has us pigeonholed, and we have to break ourselves out, they’re not gonna do it for us.
Theater needs to keep going.
Both sides are the same.
Sounds dumber everytime you say it.
But is he wrong? From Nixon, to Reagan, to Newt GIngrich, to Mitch McConnell to Trump, the Democrats have been feckless and refused to halt this march to fascism. They are complicit by tacit acceptance. This need to adhere to some vague Status Quo (Capitalist Donor Class) is why we are in this situation. It’s time to wake up and realize the Marxists were right all along. You can’t compromise with Capitalism.
Can’t speak for previously, but recently, a good chunk of Democrats’ failures have been because of a select few members holding out, no?
Hasan Piker explains this quite well.
Noooo please. Not that imbecile grifter…
Attack the messenger if you don’t like the message. What did he say that was incorrect?
Yes, he and you are obviously wrong. Even if everything you said was 100 percent true (lol) the people who failed to stop facism are obviously not the same as fascists themselves. Everything thinking person knows this , and Marx would too if he was alive.
the people who failed to stop facism are obviously not the same as fascists themselves.
Superior Orders, or ignorance of what is happening, does not absolve one of responsibility.
Since the 2020 election cycle began, “fascism” took on a plethora of new meanings, none of which actually accessed the ongoing material conditions surrounding the rise of fascism outside of the Republican Party. In fact, one could easily conclude that “fascists” and “republican” were interchangeable words if they paid close enough attention to the elections. But they are not. The confusion around fascism, weaponized by liberals to drive people to the voting polls, has disallowed any inspection of the primary role the Democratic Party (with its neoliberal, populist, and austerity police state policies) has played by sheltering and coddling this current iteration of fascism. source
Again, that is not the claim that was made. You can’t even stay on topic. I bet Marx could stay on topic .
Marx abused alcohol, so not sure. The Republicans are capitalists. The Democrats are capitalists. To Marxists they are the same. Liberalism fails because it cannot address the contradictions inherent to capitalism, inequality and wealth accumulation. Capitalism requires inequality for wealth accumulation.
Social democratic reforms can alleviate the inequality and distribute the wealth more equitably, but, because it does not replace capitalism itself, it always falters.
So, although Democrats and Republicans differ on social policy, they both defer to capitalism. Capitalism rules both parties.
Can’t possibly sound dumber than people still buying this.
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Ah yes not understanding the small cultural differences of minority policies being used to pretend the difference between the sides while on the broader spectrum being the exact same. Not to forget when it comes to foreign affairs all brown people rights go out of the window.
If both sides weren’t the same the Dems would make an effort to save the things you mentioned above. They’re not doing that.
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Tell me more about how israel is good.
Transparent.
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Competition breeds talent. We need some good new Hasbara bots over here israel isn’t even trying anymore.
The 18th century British
Public: So do something about it.
Biden: I-i-i-if I do that, I’ll be a baka.
No kings but us.
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I’m reminded of all the “France Surrenders” memes I’ve seen. Meanwhile the French shut down their country at the suggestion of the retirement age increasing. An unelected group of 6 people decide your
kingpresident can do whatever they want with no consequence and Americans justshake their fists at the cloudcomplain online.Didn’t the French have to recently choose between a shitter who fucked them over (Macron) and putins nazi buddy (Le pen)?
Man, we really are more alike then we realize.
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The infrastructure for a national strike does not exist in America. You need a lot of labor to be organized, and it just isn’t. We can barely get individual facilities to go on strike, let alone an entire country. We used to, and that’s how we pressured politicians into the New Deal, but organized labor has been dismantled since then.
As for why we’re not more like the French, a lot of it comes down to this: They have more unionized workers, as a fraction of the working population, than we do.
Perhaps we forget, here on our islands of leftist beliefs, but the average American is not a radical Socialist, Communist, or Anarchist. They are not tuned-in closely to politics, they are not media literate, they are not part of any active organization besides maybe a local church. They’re not going to upend their lives over something they don’t understand, without any way to plan with their coworkers.
Let me remind you of Civil Rights strikes and protests
"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods of direct action;” who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a “more convenient season.”
Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."
- MLK jr
We used to, and that’s how we pressured politicians into the New Deal, but organized labor has been dismantled since then.
It’s the downside of very rapid economic and social development in USA as compared to France since then. When things are changing so fast, some you just lose, maybe don’t even think you need them anymore, and have to build them again.
EDIT: And most of the planet is less conscious than the French for this matter.
Terrible timing to bring up the French. They are scrambling to prevent the most right-wing turn since WWII.
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Because we’re exhausted and can’t afford to lose what little we all have. Even one day in jail can mean losing your job, even if charges are dropped. And a conviction could mean being stuck with only jobs that don’t pay a living wage for the rest of your life and few of us have enough savings to survive that for long.
Always beware of the fact, that the only thing hindering an all-out revolution is your fear of losing the scraps they throw at you. Gore Vidal
But I am le tired
Then go have a nap… THEN FIRE ZA MISSLES!
I don’t understand why we aren’t in the streets.
We were in the streets for Palestine and then some seriously bad shit happened.
Because people are spineless cowards that won’t meet the fascist police with armed force in the streets.
Isn’t that exactly the reason for the second amendment? From what I learned, it is not to go to the gun range because it’s fun, it is to fight the government if it goes rogue
It is, yes.
TBF to fight a government that went rogue in our time you’ll need a whole lot more than knowing how to shoot a rifle.
Field medicine. Chemistry. How to build underground shelters against airstrikes. How to make mortars and mortar shots in garage with commonly available tooling. Using FPV drones, of course. Using (and possibly making) AT shots. Maybe simple (Katyusha-level) artillery manufacturing. Making mines.
That’s just some of the manufacturing knowledge you’ll need, it’s much more.
Communications - something easy to get wrong.
Then - tactics and teamwork, of course. It’s a lot to learn and requires lots of training.
Logistics. Something which doesn’t seem as hard as the rest, while in fact the hardest.
And I’m just mentioning things, one can write a book for every one of them.
It is not. It is the interpretation right wing gunnits have claimed it is, so there is that I suppose…
They are free to interpret it this way just as you are your way.
It would be weird for a new polity, result of a winning rebellion against lawful government, and definitely against its laws (some people think one can rebel not breaking any laws, apparently, claiming there are legal and illegal rebellions), to not have this in mind frankly.
And from the context of the second amendment we know that back then it was interpreted exactly as a militia that can fight against federal military.
One can argue in theory that this doesn’t mean individual gun rights, just that states should have their own armies (national guard). One can’t argue that it’s not intended for rebellion, because it very openly was.
Not everyone needs to fight cops in the streets (respect and support to those that do!). There are other ways to fight as well: organizing strikes, sabotage, [redacted]. I think the main problem is that the fascism pot has been simmering for so long, that people are mostly used to it, and can no longer really imagine the alternative. We’re so isolated from each other, and desperate to survive that too many of us will “keep calm and carry on” as long as it isn’t our necks on the chopping block.
I heard nothing bad happened and Joe Biden isn’t a fascist.
Yeah. If this isn’t cause to strike, nothing is
Kill them! Do it!
If only he were in some position of power to do something about it hmmmmmm.
He doesn’t. Impeaching judges is the House’s job.
You know your house rep is up for election this year?
Legally … but the law doesn’t apply to the president so long as they’re doing it for a reason they believe to be official.
The ruling more or less explicitly states that Biden could go on national television, say “Won’t someone rid me of these troublesome justices?”, have them assassinated, and face no legal repercussions because using the bully pulpit is covered by presidential immunity
Farther. He could use the military or any branch of government to kill them and still get immunity. We now have a long, don’t get me wrong we always had some assumption that that’s how it went but seeing it on paper is an eye opener.
Hell, he could sign literally every US asset over to anyone he pleases and there’s nothing we could do via a legal means. It’s not supposed to work that way but if no law constrains the office then the office is simply free to do literally whatever they want.
The law applies to the president always.
Here is what this ruling is for -
First - if I order an enemy of the US dead I can be prosecuted.
The president orders an enemy dead. That enemy is killed. The president cannot be prosecuted for that act.
What this ruling does - the president may also not be prosecuted for that act after they leave office.
That’s all this does. That’s it. If the president kills a maid in the White House he or she will go to prison because that is against the law and not within the duties of the office.
It doesnt.
Nope.
Agreed.
No or means they can’t be prosecuted for it ever so long as it was under the guise of an official act.
Nope, that maid was a spy and deserved what she got.
Yeah but now he’s above the law, so I say do it anyway and overturn the ruling his damn self.
It sets precedents that you might not want, because if Trump or one of his cronies get into the oval office, they can do the same thing.
OH MY FUCKING GOD WHY DONT YOU FUCKING PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WILL ALREADY FUCKING DO THAT!!! THEY DO NOT NEED OR EVEN WANT DEMOCRAT PERMISSION OR PRECEDENT!!! Goddamn a you fucking milquetoast losers who defended free speech for Nazis all this time and got us in this fucking predicament!! You NEVER understand who you’re dealing with!!
T h e y a l r e a d y w i l l
This notion of appeasement to fascism will doom us all.
I think the problem is, if Dems do it first, they’re not better than the Republicans.
Unilateral dictatorships are unilateral dictatorships no matter who does it.
You can’t win in a game where one side insists on cheating and one side insists on following the rules. Our system of governance wasn’t designed for this level of factionhood. It should and could’ve been stopped the right way maybe 20 or 30 years ago. At the least, 8 years ago. And the very last chance was when Trump’s second impeachment made it to the Senate.
But now, there’s no chance.
It’s not even really “cheating” that the Republicans are doing. Most everything is getting a “legal” stamp of approval. Just in a shady way that clearly and defiantly goes against everything this country has ever been about.
Hey I know another politician who was pretty popular for his time that did the same thing. Bright young man with a funny mustache.
If Trump gets back into office, it’s game over, unless the people are willing to fight a civil war to stop him. Though even that will probably be too little too late because of the power vacuum it will likely create on the world stage when WWIII already looks possible in the next decade.
It might already be too late because I agree that Biden pushing his weight around with these new lack of presidential limits would get messy. But the cat is out of the bag right now and it’s not going to go quietly back in.
Yeah, if only his party had control of the House.
If he jails some Republican reps, we’ll have the majority.
Like Matt Gaetz, who should be in jail. And MTG, who should be in jail. And Lauren Boebert, who should be in jail. And…
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they’ll still find some other excuse not to do anything the next time around.
Old enough to remember when Dems did control the House, but it didn’t do anything useful.
that was only a few years ago and i’m going to assume you’re older than 10.
Sure, assuming you don’t think the American rescue plan, bipartisan infrastructure act, CHIPS, IRA, and the first massive tranche of funding for Ukraine are useful. I don’t think you realize how short 2 years is for the legislature and how narrow the dem margin was. They achieved significantly more useful legislation than I thought possible. Unfortunately they didn’t codify Roe, overhaul SCOTUS, or harden our institutions against fascism, so maybe you’re right. Who knows what they could do with a larger majority and control of the House/Senate for 2 more years though - it would be fun to find out, if we could avoid getting all worked up blaming different people we mostly agree with and vote big against fascism.
assuming you don’t think the American rescue plan, bipartisan infrastructure act, CHIPS, IRA, and the first massive tranche of funding for Ukraine are useful
No more than the CARES Act or the PROSWIFT Act or the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021 or the Hong Kong Autonomy and Uyghur Human Rights Policy Acts, under the prior administration. We’ve never had a problem issuing large bipartisan bailouts in the thick of a recession, rolling out buckets of cash for proxy wars, or pissing away trillions on expanding legacy highway infrastructure. This is not something unique that Biden brought to the table.
Hell, Trump was even sending military aid to Ukraine as early as 2019. One could argue it was this military escalation and subsequent bombing of the Donbas that kicked off the war with Russia to begin with. Thanks for that!
Unfortunately they didn’t codify Roe, overhaul SCOTUS, or harden our institutions against fascism
Because they’re a party heavily populated with Pro-Life Democrats, they genuinely like the business-friendly / anti-regulatory bent to the SCOTUS, and they are more than happy to break bread with fascists just so long as the fascists can be used as proxies against enemies of US business interests at home and abroad.
This isn’t a fucking accident. It is deliberate bipartisan consensus.
Who knows what they could do with a larger majority and control of the House/Senate for 2 more years though
Exactly what they did in 2009. Send trillions of new dollars to the privatized tech sector. Roll out new privatization schemes for the USPS and US Education System. Bailout failed banks. Increase the size and the authority of police agencies. And impose a host of new unfunded mandates on consumers - via tariffs, anti-union tax increases on health insurance, and private lending schemes - that only serve to degrade quality of life in pursuit of higher corporate profits.
FFS, the lowest hanging fruit imaginable for the Democratic Party is DC Statehood. Easiest win imaginable to just hand yourself two free Senators and 3-4 new House Reps. And they won’t do it.
You’re still making the mistake of treating dems like some single monolith. It’s a coalition of just about everything that isn’t MAGA at this point, covering all sorts of ideals, yours being just one small part. The answer is still “get a majority of reps that aren’t asswipes” and then we’ll get legislation we want.
As to DC statehood, it would have gone through if not for Manchin because the Senate “majority” at the time hinged on his support. We need to win these seats with bigger majorities, period, and then they’ll pass better bills. The overwhelming majorty of Dems support DC statehood, saying “they won’t do it” is not a great take when they literally didn’t have the votes.
They impeached Trump twice. It’s not their fault the Constitution requires a 2/3 majority to convict and only 7 Republicans were willing to put country above party.
And they will get enabled by democrats shielding their shitty politics
