• Harrison [He/Him]@ttrpg.network
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    1 year ago

    Eco-fascist outcomes come from Eco-fascist methods. How do you propose to accomplish this degrowth without subjecting the world’s population to genocide and privation?

    Human nature is to strive, to fight for a better life for themselves and their communities. The preservation of agrarian lifestyles and “harmony with the planet” a bunch of backwards romantics push is not more important than the betterment of the species, no matter how much people cry about it.

    If people need to live in dense cities, then they will live in dense cities.

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      1 year ago

      genocide and privation

      It’s opposite of degrowth. It is capitalism with its wide beastly grin.

      The preservation of agrarian lifestyles and “harmony with the planet”

      I like how you mix it togerher under pro-nuclear thread about combating climate change. Also it says you didn’t research what degrowth is and possibly doesn’t have even common sense.

      is not more important than the betterment of the species, no matter how much people cry about it

      And it is you who calls someone fascist?

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          1 year ago

          No, when you improve people’s living condition is called improving people’s living condition. Americans call it socialism.

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        1 year ago

        Okay let’s break it down.

        De- means the opposite of. Growth is when things get bigger. De-growth means shrinking human resource usage.

        How can we shrink human resource usage? Two ways:

        1. Shrink the human population. ie genocide.
        2. Shrink the resource usage per person. ie privation.

        Address the question. How is “degrowth” not a dog whistle for either killing hundreds of millions of people, or forcing hundreds of millions of people to live in poverty?

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          1 year ago

          Not OP but:

          • population control (is hard but) can be done in a way that in 20-30 years starts having effect. Genocide is not the only way to reduce population?
          • reducing the consumption of individuals does not amount necessarily to starvation and poverty either. Right now we produce too much and too poorly. Reducing consumption might mean less conspicuous consumption from the top 50% of the population but also less “things” that last more.

          In both these examples unfortunately the main obstacle is economic.

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        1 year ago

        Nature will bring our numbers to sustainable levels if we don’t do it.

        Are you proposing that we do it? How exactly does reducing the number of humans work, if we do it? Is there any word for this that isn’t “genocide”?

      • Harrison [He/Him]@ttrpg.network
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        1 year ago

        8 billion people is absolutely sustainable, we could support significantly more at a modern standard of living with just the resources we use today. The problem is the way we organise how and where we live, and a parasitic owner class using and abusing vastly more resources than they could ever need.

        • Education
        • Opportunity
        • Help those who don’t want to give birth not to give birth
        • Reduce the influence of religion that promotes childbirth and irresponsible family planning
        • Reduce the influence of pressure to grow in every way that is likely exacerbated by capitalism

        And if after all that people still want to have children?

        Nature will bring our numbers to sustainable levels if we don’t do it. Nature will not be so kind.

        Let it try, we’ll see who wins.

      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        1 year ago

        who do you educate? those people will be genocided.

        who do you give birth control to? those people will be genocided.

        there is no policy you can create and implement that will not disproportionately effect one group over another.

        it’s all genocide.