Do not let confirmation bias and nationalism control your view. I could say “America hasn’t done anything bad, it’s all Russian propaganda, I currently live here and I’m doing just fine.” We both know that people suffer everywhere.
The general statement I made was not about what you experienced, it was about the attroticities that were committed by the government and leading parties. You could even consider Stalin alone and outweigh everything good it ever did. His lowball kill count through deliberate pillaging of his own populace (farmers), selective starvation to kill off groups he did not favor, and planned genocides (yes, plural) against the USSR’s own populace beats Hitler himself. And it’s not even close.
But let’s look at more recent occurrences, those you likely heard about yourself. Let’s also ignore the cold war, a national dick measuring contest and dumb all around. Between multiple proxy wars in Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, and Vietnam, they put all their eggs in one basket as they literally always have: war. The USSR entirely sacrificed their domestic production, research, and innovation for their people to put it towards killing others. Their entire economy stagnated and collapsed because they couldn’t support their population. And, as always, the people rebelled and won.
I linked you literal scientific studies showing that communism greatly improved life in tangible material terms, and that life got dramatically worse after USSR dissolved. I also provided surveys showing what people who lived under both systems have to say. You on the other hand, just spewed absolute nonsense that’s not actually backed by facts.
Also, nobody rebelled against USSR, vast majority of people were against the dissolution, and nobody won. Over 7 million people died and the standard of living dropped dramatically after.
You are either an ignoramus or a liar. You should be deeply ashamed of yourself in either case.
Lmao, glad I wasted I wasted my time on you. Kinda hard to lie about proven genocides. You do not get to determine what is fact. The science fact is literally “millions and millions of people died.”
The science fact is that you’re a lying scumbag. If this “genocide” you refer to is the famine in Ukraine then you should learn the actual facts, which of course being a piece of human garbage I doubt you care about.
During the 1932 Holodomor Famine, the USSR sent aid to affected regions in an attempt to alleviate the famine. According to Mark Tauger in his article, The 1932 Harvest and the Famine of 1933:
While the leadership did not stop exports, they did try to alleviate the famine. A 25 February 1933 Central Committee decree allotted seed loans of 320,000 tons to Ukraine and 240,000 tons to the northern Caucasus. Seed loans were also made to the Lower Volga and may have been made to other regions as well. Kul’chyts’kyy cites Ukrainian party archives showing that total aid to Ukraine by April 1933 actually exceeded 560,000 tons, including more than 80,000 tons of food
Some bring up massive grain exports during the famine to show that the Soviet Union exported food while Ukraine starved. This is fallacious for a number of reasons, but most importantly of all the amount of aid that was sent to Ukraine alone actually exceeded the amount that was exported at the time.
Aid to Ukraine alone was 60 percent greater than the amount exported during the same period. Total aid to famine regions was more than double exports for the first half of 1933.
According to Tauger, the reason why more aid was not provided was because of the low harvest
It appears to have been another consequence of the low 1932 harvest that more aid was not provided: After the low 1931, 1934, and 1936 harvests procured grain was transferred back to peasants at the expense of exports.
Tauger is not a communist, and ultimately this specific article takes the view that the low harvest was caused by collectivization (he factors in the natural causes of the famine in later articles, based on how he completely neglects to mention weather in this article at all its clear that his position shifted over the years). However, its interesting to see that the Soviets really did try to alleviate the famine as best as they could.
More information and sources can be found within this book. However, here are a couple other links to reputable sources. Apologies for formatting, it’s a bit weird.
while not exactly a genocide, he ordered his men to kill fellow soldiers. There are a ton of articles on this if your want to search for more.
I haven’t addressed my comments on Mao, but simply put, it’s the same regime that committed the Tieneman square massacre and covered it up. For more current options, you could look into how they literally bolted doors on apartments to keep them in during COVID-19, put barbed wire in staircases, lied about infectivity rates, and cut off research discussion to the world. For non COVID-19 topics, they are currently running a genocide on Uyghur Muslims (plenty of links online), plenty of human rights violations, and more here.
Total media control keeps everyone in line when they can only see the good that happens in their country. They don’t know about any of the above, it’s all hidden from them.
Congrats, you’ve got a small list of good things. Have you looked at the list of horrendous things?
I lived in USSR, but go ahead tell me how terrible life there was because I’m sure you’re far more educated on the subject.
Do not let confirmation bias and nationalism control your view. I could say “America hasn’t done anything bad, it’s all Russian propaganda, I currently live here and I’m doing just fine.” We both know that people suffer everywhere.
The general statement I made was not about what you experienced, it was about the attroticities that were committed by the government and leading parties. You could even consider Stalin alone and outweigh everything good it ever did. His lowball kill count through deliberate pillaging of his own populace (farmers), selective starvation to kill off groups he did not favor, and planned genocides (yes, plural) against the USSR’s own populace beats Hitler himself. And it’s not even close.
But let’s look at more recent occurrences, those you likely heard about yourself. Let’s also ignore the cold war, a national dick measuring contest and dumb all around. Between multiple proxy wars in Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, and Vietnam, they put all their eggs in one basket as they literally always have: war. The USSR entirely sacrificed their domestic production, research, and innovation for their people to put it towards killing others. Their entire economy stagnated and collapsed because they couldn’t support their population. And, as always, the people rebelled and won.
And, just on time, look what we are back to.
I linked you literal scientific studies showing that communism greatly improved life in tangible material terms, and that life got dramatically worse after USSR dissolved. I also provided surveys showing what people who lived under both systems have to say. You on the other hand, just spewed absolute nonsense that’s not actually backed by facts.
Also, nobody rebelled against USSR, vast majority of people were against the dissolution, and nobody won. Over 7 million people died and the standard of living dropped dramatically after.
You are either an ignoramus or a liar. You should be deeply ashamed of yourself in either case.
Lmao, glad I wasted I wasted my time on you. Kinda hard to lie about proven genocides. You do not get to determine what is fact. The science fact is literally “millions and millions of people died.”
The science fact is that you’re a lying scumbag. If this “genocide” you refer to is the famine in Ukraine then you should learn the actual facts, which of course being a piece of human garbage I doubt you care about.
During the 1932 Holodomor Famine, the USSR sent aid to affected regions in an attempt to alleviate the famine. According to Mark Tauger in his article, The 1932 Harvest and the Famine of 1933:
Some bring up massive grain exports during the famine to show that the Soviet Union exported food while Ukraine starved. This is fallacious for a number of reasons, but most importantly of all the amount of aid that was sent to Ukraine alone actually exceeded the amount that was exported at the time.
According to Tauger, the reason why more aid was not provided was because of the low harvest
Tauger is not a communist, and ultimately this specific article takes the view that the low harvest was caused by collectivization (he factors in the natural causes of the famine in later articles, based on how he completely neglects to mention weather in this article at all its clear that his position shifted over the years). However, its interesting to see that the Soviets really did try to alleviate the famine as best as they could.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2500600
Wait, Stalin committed genocide? wtf. which genocides did he commit?
More information and sources can be found within this book. However, here are a couple other links to reputable sources. Apologies for formatting, it’s a bit weird.
Man-made famine of Ukraine and political executions
And some more info
and even more
You could also look into the 1 million people he killed as “enemies of the state”
while not exactly a genocide, he ordered his men to kill fellow soldiers. There are a ton of articles on this if your want to search for more.
I haven’t addressed my comments on Mao, but simply put, it’s the same regime that committed the Tieneman square massacre and covered it up. For more current options, you could look into how they literally bolted doors on apartments to keep them in during COVID-19, put barbed wire in staircases, lied about infectivity rates, and cut off research discussion to the world. For non COVID-19 topics, they are currently running a genocide on Uyghur Muslims (plenty of links online), plenty of human rights violations, and more here.
Total media control keeps everyone in line when they can only see the good that happens in their country. They don’t know about any of the above, it’s all hidden from them.