• AVincentInSpace@pawb.social
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    11 months ago

    The difference is that it’s consensual, you libtard.

    Now try not to think about those monkeys we’re testing the product on and whether it was consensual for them.

    /s if it wasn’t obvious

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      11 months ago

      Just because you have someone’s consent, doesn’t make whatever you do to them legal.

      For example, you can sign a contract to allow me to bludgeon you to death, but it’s still murder regardless of your consent.

      Frankly, Elon has killed enough animals in this endeavor that it’s unconscionable to allow him to test it on people. It’s only going to end poorly.

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        11 months ago

        you can sign a contract to allow me to bludgeon you to death, but it’s still murder regardless of your consent

        I agree this is the current law. But I certainly don’t agree with this law. Do you?

        I feel people should absolutely be allowed to consent to death, or potential death. And I mean, we already can in various other contexts like skiing in avalanche terrain, ordering too many big macs, or medically assisted suicide to prevent suffering from incurable conditions (at least in a few civilized places).

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          11 months ago

          Yeah we have that in Canada, you can choose to end it with doctor help via the MAID program. Lets people die with dignity.

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          11 months ago

          You’re talking to someone whose wife died 4 months ago (at 34 years old), from one of those incurable conditions. I’ll let you guess how I feel about allowing people to end their life on their terms.

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            11 months ago

            I’m confident you strongly support allowing it as I have never met someone who witnessed a loved one suffer like that and does not support lessening their suffering.

            So since you support allowing people to end their own lives in that context, you understand that people can indeed consent to death. So perhaps consenting to death should be permitted in other contexts too. That’s the only point I was making.

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          11 months ago

          I understand your point. I think people should be able to consent to that, but how do you assure they don’t do this because they get forced to agree?

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            11 months ago

            The same way we assure people consenting to anything at all are not being forced to. We try our best basically. And sometimes we’ll probably get it wrong and need to improve. I’m completely ok with that when the alternative is guaranteed preventable suffering. Just like I’m ok with people using power of attorney to protect the finances of people with dementia, even if sometimes it gets misapplied.

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      11 months ago

      You are free to get the chip or not.

      But if you refuse the chip then you might lose your job, or your ability to shop.

      It will be the new cellphone.