DISCLAIMER: this is not my content that was removed, I just came across it in the modlog and found it to be absurd. If it’s not allowed, I totally understand.

Reason removed was because it’s unrelated.

Unrelated……

The guy was illegally deported without due process. And yet for some reason, suggesting so is somehow “unrelated” to a meme that is trying to say that because he is affiliated (no charges were ever filed against him for gang-related activity) with a gang, he is by default, guilty.

What’s ironic, is that the entire point of the meme is that the bullshit about him being in MS-13 is unrelated to the fact that people want accountability for this administration illegally deporting a man without due process.

This mod has definitely chosen the correct name.

And even taken into consideration that the instance is essentially a troll haven for wayward 4Chan refugees, they should still have to adhere to the rules of common sense.

  • Natanael@infosec.pub
    63·
    6 hours ago

    I’m not the only person here who remember that crowd.

    What should I prove next, 1+1=2?

      • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
        21·
        2 hours ago
        1. This is a perfectly reasonable thing to ask; I agree with the person you’re talking with, factually, but I have no idea why they are treating it as unreasonable to say “what is the evidence for this thing you are claiming.” They seem to be taking the “do your own research” approach with it, which is bullshit.
        2. I think moderating a heated conversation you are a part of is also bullshit. You can’t be arguing with someone, tell them to do something in the argument, and then say “failure to follow mod direction” or whatever when they don’t. Or, you can, but it’s bullshit.
        3. I for myself am happy to provide the examples you’re asking for, because it happened all the time. Below:
        • https://ponder.cat/comment/2719790 - “The genocide was just as bad under Democrats, you were just a genocide denier when it was your team doing it. In that sense, it’s better that Trump won, because at least liberals acknowledge what’s happening when he does it, rather than downplaying and denying it.”
        • https://ponder.cat/comment/2695840 - “[Trump] did get the ceasefire done that Joe Biden claimed to have been working on for years. Donald Trump claims to not give a shit about the Palestinians yet got the ceasefire done. Joe “Proud Zionist” Biden claims to care about the plight of the Palestinians yet did less to end their suffering. The point is that Democratic lip service is often worse or equivalent to the Republicans’ more honest cruelty, especially in foreign policy”
        • https://ponder.cat/post/2203126/2508582 - “Voting for Democrats would not have lead to fewer Gazan lives lost, because the Democrats don’t give a fuck about Gazan lives. Biden was already giving them all the weapons they needed, and Harris made no indication she was going to change course. Harris would have enabled the genocide same as Trump.”

        That’s with a simple text search; I found 503 results and picked those comments out of the first 21 of them. There were quite a lot. Some from pretty high-profile people, it wasn’t all just random idiots. But yes it was an extremely common point of view.

        • Unruffled [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
          1·
          6 minutes ago

          I think moderating a heated conversation you are a part of is also bullshit. You can’t be arguing with someone, tell them to do something in the argument, and then say “failure to follow mod direction” or whatever when they don’t. Or, you can, but it’s bullshit.

          1. Not sure which thread you were reading but I wasn’t arguing with the individual in that thread at all afaik, NSXRN was.
          2. The onus is on the person making the claim to provide evidence, but all they did was deflect the question and hand wave. When called out, they deflected again.
          3. When I stepped in to ask them to “put up or shut up” they deflected yet again so I removed their reply.

          As for the rest of your comments NSRXNs reply seems to have covered it.

        • NSRXN@scribe.disroot.org
          32·
          43 minutes ago

          The comment that started this accusation said:

          Wasn’t there also the slight issue of many not bothering to vote at all or not willing to vote for the more democratic candidate over Israel or something? So much drama in the states…

          which prompted the response:

          Yeah all those “gEnOciDe” trolls have mystically vanished since then …

          and a furth explanation:

          There was a specific crowd pretending only democrats could have responsibility for it and that Trump could not be worse

          to which i said:

          you’re making that up.

          and the rest of the thread has been bickering about whether, in fact, they made that up. the accusation is that, since the election, the people opposed to genocide who wanted to exert electoral pressure, who were also people who were pretending only democrats could have responsibility AND that trump could not be worse, have since disappeared. i know that’s a lot of commas. lets make this a bit clearer:

          the accusation is that

          there are people who

          • (a)oppose genocide
          • (b)wanted to exert electoral pressure on the democrats
          • ©were pretending only democrats could have responsibility
          • (d)believed that trump could not be worse

          and that those people

          • (e)disappeared after the election.

          what you provided was evidence that, in fact, those people don’t exist, and to the extent that people who met criteria a-c may have existed (it’s still not clear they held this belief prior to the election), they did not, also fulfill criteria (e).

          so despite your aptitude for verbosity and markdown syntax, your comment is, also, not evidence.

          edit: i made a few syntactic edits to this, but as i’m now reading it for the 12th time or so, i don’t actually think we have evidence of anyone fulfilling criteria c in addition to a and b.

          • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
            1·
            23 minutes ago

            The comment that started this accusation said:

            That’s nice. I was responding to a very particular exchange, different from the one you picked out to look at, which said:

            There was a specific crowd pretending only democrats could have responsibility for it and that Trump could not be worse

            you’re making that up.

            Nobody is making up the crowd that pretended only Democrats could have responsibility for it and that Trump could not be worse. Some of them are still around, (and still! saying the same thing for some fucked-up reason, as per my examples) some are gone. I gave some examples of that crowd.

            I don’t really feel like a protracted exchange where you move goalposts around and introduce totally random qualifications like “in order to exert electoral pressure on the Democrats” when in fact the lack of that is a big part of why I object strongly to the whole operation. Where, something like the “uncommitted” movement is at least organized in a fashion where it seems like it could produce an improvement, by putting pressure on the Democrats, so that sounds fine. Just not voting for Democrats and hoping they’ll figure it out and move to the left seems pretty much guaranteed to give us something along the lines of the catastrophe that happened. Which is why I am opposed to it.

            Anyway feel free to tell the people in Gaza or immigrants in the US or any international student or Ukrainian or and so on about your theory and how pleased you are, now that it’s succeeded, and aren’t they proud of you.