cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/18833721
I hate that groups like the ACLU have to defend nazi scum to protect my liberties. Better that the government not violate our rights in the first place, but in lieu of that, even nazi scum is subject to the same rights and due process as any other citizen. However, I wouldn’t mind if they got pantsed a couple of times by their lawyers.
Until we can find a better way to enforce civil liberties, the striking of illegally obtained evidence in the prosecution of terrible criminals is necessary. That they get to walk free is the point first as a penalty to the state (that now a monster remains at large) and second as a penalty to the public for allowing the state to let its agents abuse their power.
If neonazis and terrorists aren’t protected by our Bill of Rights, then you aren’t either. And it informs how the massive extrajudicial surveillance state got formed in the first place, as the US state believes national security (in all its ambiguity) is valued more than American lives.
There are tons of defendants across Amerikkka in similar situations and the fact that the ACLU is constantly defending scumbags in the name of protecting all of our rights is the most asinine liberal bullshit I can think of. How many poor black people are there sitting in rikers on some stop-and-frisk bullshit, while the ACLU is prioritizing the rights of Neo-Nazis? There are plenty of other ways to address warranties searches and ironically this dipshit would probably benefit from any precedent that addresses this issue, but at the very least… and this is an example of the bar being in hell and them trying to lower… but at the least, don’t provide free legal defense council for society’s best arguments against civilization. But if none of that resonates, just don’t defend people that spend a not insignificant amount of time and respurces to attack the existence of things like the ACLU before and after you defend them. Because when they get off, maybe their next attack will annihilate the right to free council for everybody else in the country. Or as Aus Rotten put it; don’t give them freedom because they’re not going to give you yours. Fuck Nazi Sympathy. Of any kind.
Maybe, just hypothesis from a dumb guy, maybe this case is a tactical choice. It’s higher profile, It’ll progress through the courts faster, they suspect the Supreme Court will be more sympathetic to this plantiff and this get the judgements that protect everyone, I don’t know. Maybe it marketing to appear impartial, “See, we’ll even defend a nazi.”
I don’t know, I’m shooting from the hip while sitting on the toilet.If you have to defend Nazi’s because the SC will give them a more favorable decision then the legal system is already fucked beyond repair.
I don’t disagree with you, but maybe that’s why the ACLU is forced to play the game this way.
Why didn’t the ACLU defend Ross Ulbricht? What about all the whistleblowers that have been imprisoned lately? Seems like there are better candidates than this guy.
I wasn’t aware Silk Road was taken down via FISA. I’ve read all of the long form accounts of it that I’m aware of and I don’t remember FISA being mentioned at all. Can you share a source?
The silk road wasn’t taken down by an acronym. It was a bunch of hypocritical bigots called the American bureaucracy. They talk a lot about freedom but when they see something that promotes freedom like Wikileaks, south American socialism or the silk road, they seek to shut it down, often violently.
The people who believe that war criminals such as George Bush and Dick Cheney should be walking free and people like Julian Assange and Ross Ulbricht should be locked up, these people are our enemy.
